[Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737

[Peter Gottlieb]

Maybe my instructors were more sadistic than yours.  One time one of them in a 
flight review jammed the trim all the way back then pulled the breaker in the 
middle of unusual attitude recovery testing.  But I think in a small plane you 
get a lot better feel of the control surface forces than on big iron.




On 12/30/2018 11:07 PM, Francesco Ledda wrote:
> First, you need to understand that you have a stab run away :)
> The rest is easier, once you understand the problem.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 30, 2018, at 21:48, Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do this.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars leading us all into such situations?
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>>>
>>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS automation.
>>>
>>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-crash-cockpit.html
>>>
>>> -Hue
>>>
>>>
>> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do this.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars leading us all into such situations?
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>>>
>>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS automation.
>>>
>>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-crash-cockpit.html
>>>
>>> -Hue
>>>
>>>
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