[Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737

[Francesco Ledda]

First, you need to understand that you have a stab run away :)
The rest is easier, once you understand the problem.

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> On Dec 30, 2018, at 21:48, Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do this.
> 
> Peter
> 
> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars leading us all into such situations?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>> 
>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>> 
>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS automation.
>> 
>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-crash-cockpit.html
>> 
>> -Hue
>> 
>> 
> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do this.
> 
> Peter
> 
> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars leading us all into such situations?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>> 
>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>> 
>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS automation.
>> 
>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-crash-cockpit.html
>> 
>> -Hue
>> 
>> 
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