[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

Wed Nov 13 19:58:00 EST 2013

Sure, so long as it doesn't affect others.

Why have speed limits?  Or any traffic laws for that matter?

So yeah, I agree... if it absolutely affects nobody else, have at it and do what 
you want.

On 11/13/2013 11:09 AM, J. Forster wrote:
> On non-technical matters, I don't claim to 'know best'. I believe people
> should have the freedom to make up their own minds, not to be dictated to.
>
> -John
>
> =================
>
>
>
>> John -
>>
>> I agree with your assessment, however, on all of the reflectors that we
>> share, it seems you always are the one that knows "best" and has to have
>> the
>> last word. Like the saying goes - "a legend in his own mind". Regards -
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J. Forster
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:54 AM
>> To: whitaker at ieee.org
>> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
>>
>> My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government mandating
>> them.
>>
>> Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before they
>> were mandated.
>>
>> However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows
>> best'...
>> the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously does not know
>> what
>> is best for everybody.
>>
>> Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever it has
>> been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have enough
>> control'.
>>
>> As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and Russia are
>> abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> =====================
>>
>>
>>
>>> de WB2CPN
>>> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
>>> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense, it had to have
>>> seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
>>> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
>>> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
>>> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car that was whacked
>>> in an accident.  The seat belt was neatly folded under the seat.
>>> Clete
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It should
>>>> be a personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other things.
>>>>
>>>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of
>>>> anybodies'
>>>> business but mine.
>>>>
>>>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on personal
>>>> liberty.
>>>>
>>>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know best'.
>>>>
>>>> YMWV,
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more
>>>>>> than a decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ======================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car
>>>>>>> (A Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ********
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That
>>>>>>>> car might not have even had them installed!  And even these days
>>>>>>>> in limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really
>>>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%
>>>>>>>>>> 20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>>>
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