[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

Wed Nov 13 21:40:56 EST 2013

> Sure, so long as it doesn't affect others.
>
> Why have speed limits?  Or any traffic laws for that matter?

You answer your own question. Speeding, as in going 100 MPH in a
residential area DOES affect others.

> So yeah, I agree... if it absolutely affects nobody else, have at it and
> do what you want.

But they enforce doiung 35 in a 30 zone even on an empty road, even if it
puts nobody at risk, just because a professional nanny want it that way.

-John

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> On 11/13/2013 11:09 AM, J. Forster wrote:
>> On non-technical matters, I don't claim to 'know best'. I believe people
>> should have the freedom to make up their own minds, not to be dictated
>> to.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> =================
>>
>>
>>
>>> John -
>>>
>>> I agree with your assessment, however, on all of the reflectors that we
>>> share, it seems you always are the one that knows "best" and has to
>>> have
>>> the
>>> last word. Like the saying goes - "a legend in his own mind". Regards -
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J. Forster
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:54 AM
>>> To: whitaker at ieee.org
>>> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
>>>
>>> My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government mandating
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before
>>> they
>>> were mandated.
>>>
>>> However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows
>>> best'...
>>> the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously does not know
>>> what
>>> is best for everybody.
>>>
>>> Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever it
>>> has
>>> been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have enough
>>> control'.
>>>
>>> As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and Russia
>>> are
>>> abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> =====================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> de WB2CPN
>>>> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
>>>> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense, it had to have
>>>> seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
>>>> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
>>>> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
>>>> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car that was whacked
>>>> in an accident.  The seat belt was neatly folded under the seat.
>>>> Clete
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It should
>>>>> be a personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other
>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of
>>>>> anybodies'
>>>>> business but mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on personal
>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>
>>>>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know best'.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMWV,
>>>>>
>>>>> -John
>>>>>
>>>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more
>>>>>>> than a decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ======================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car
>>>>>>>> (A Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ********
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That
>>>>>>>>> car might not have even had them installed!  And even these days
>>>>>>>>> in limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really
>>>>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%
>>>>>>>>>>> 20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>>>>
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