[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

Wed Nov 13 11:09:12 EST 2013

On non-technical matters, I don't claim to 'know best'. I believe people
should have the freedom to make up their own minds, not to be dictated to.

-John

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> John -
>
> I agree with your assessment, however, on all of the reflectors that we
> share, it seems you always are the one that knows "best" and has to have
> the
> last word. Like the saying goes - "a legend in his own mind". Regards -
> Mike
>
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J. Forster
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:54 AM
> To: whitaker at ieee.org
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
>
> My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government mandating
> them.
>
> Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before they
> were mandated.
>
> However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows
> best'...
> the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously does not know
> what
> is best for everybody.
>
> Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever it has
> been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have enough
> control'.
>
> As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and Russia are
> abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.
>
> -John
>
> =====================
>
>
>
>> de WB2CPN
>> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
>> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense, it had to have
>> seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
>> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
>> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
>> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car that was whacked
>> in an accident.  The seat belt was neatly folded under the seat.
>> Clete
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It should
>>> be a personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other things.
>>>
>>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of
>>> anybodies'
>>> business but mine.
>>>
>>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on personal
>>> liberty.
>>>
>>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know best'.
>>>
>>> YMWV,
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more
>>>>> than a decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>>
>>>>> -John
>>>>>
>>>>> ======================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car
>>>>>> (A Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ********
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That
>>>>>>> car might not have even had them installed!  And even these days
>>>>>>> in limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really
>>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%
>>>>>>>>> 20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>>
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