[Milsurplus] Freon vs CO2

[Peter Gottlieb]

I think it would take nothing short of a nuclear event for you to become 
alarmed.  The overwhelming majority of *independent* studies support there 
being a problem with ozone depletion and an increase in carbon dioxide 
levels and average global temperatures.  The mechanism for HCFC ionization 
and Cl- ions getting into the ozone layer is known and the effect of 
greenhouse gases closely matches theoretical models of what should happen.

At what point do you raise an alarm?  What would it take?  I'm not being a 
wise guy, I am asking seriously.

Peter


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WA5CAB at cs.com>
To: <sdaitch at ibb.gov>
Cc: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Freon vs CO2


> You're correct on both counts.  But the groups who caused the Freon 
> variant
> refrigerants to be outlawed are also the ones pushing the global warming 
> scare.
> The increased release of CO2 and etc. caused by use of much less efficient
> refrigerants will, if you believe them, exacerbate global warming.  Of 
> course
> any reference to the fact that the planet is coming out of a little ice 
> age or
> that the mean temperature has been higher that today's in relatively 
> recent
> history are carefully screened out of all reports.
>
> The reason for my comment earlier about the refrigerant scare being BS was
> that Freon is heavier than air.  When released, it goes down, not up. 
> Unless
> you have something with enough force to loft a bunch of it, like a 
> volcanic
> eruption or a thermonuclear explosion.  And it wouldn't survive the nuke 
> anyway.
>
> In a message dated 5/4/2005 2:35:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> sdaitch at ibb.gov
> writes:
>> I thought the real problem with freon was that it affected the ozone 
>> layer,
>> while
>> greenhouse gases were the effect of higher carbon dioxide level, two
>> differenet
>> animals.
>>
>> 73
>> Sheldon
>> WA4MZZ
>>
>> "J. Forster" wrote:
>>
>> >Gordon White wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Incidentally, have you seen that the HCH's that replaced Freon are 
>> >> now
>> an
>> >>environmental no-no? Worse than Freon.
>
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