Others With Same Opinion Noise, Noise, Noise, Noise!!! Re: [MilCom] Anti-war Activists Call for End to Annual Blue Angels Airshow in S.F

Sun Jun 10 18:20:52 EDT 2007

The whole attitude is sadly part of the US culture
today.  Sometimes it is brought on by individual
selfishness, and sometimes it is brought on by
stupidity in some *other* segment of society, such as
government officials.  On the former, case in point:
in parts of the US (mostly western) you got people who
are moving away from the cities and "up into the
hills" and into areas where wild critters live.  So
they build their swanky houses and put the family dog
"Fluffy" out in the back yard, and wonder why when
they go to retrieve "Fluffy" a few hours later, all
they find is a mangled corpse.  Well, some wild
critter found lunch staked out and waiting (because
the dumbass people didn't *bother* to even THINK about
the environment they were moving into).  Their
reaction?  Kill ALL the wild critters to make THEIR
neighborhood safer - conveniently ignoring the notion
that the "neighborhood" belonged to the wild critters
before the people came and squatted on it.

As for the latter, here in Indiana the NW part of the
state is up in arms about a proposed huge highway
bypass that would take travellers from the Indiana
Toll Road south, then west and *around* the whole mess
of the Chicago/Gary "region".  Great idea - BUT, they
want to do what they've done with the Toll Road which
is to privatize the thing which is NOT popular with
the locals because it gives some group a private
monopoly on a public resource.  So the movement to
stop the project is well underway.

And that brings us back to noise and airshows - we had
a case year a couple years back where a lady who
raises dogs and lives near the Indianapolis/Mount
Comfort airport (host of the Indianapolis Airshow) was
complaining that the noise was bad for her dogs. 
Never mind that the show had been going on there for
probably 20+ years and all of the sudden, she had a
problem (wonder what the REAL agenda was?) -
fortunately, she got pretty well stomped upon and
while THAT was good, there was a lot of outright
hateful responses from the pro-airshow side.  That's
unfortunate because it doesn't make OUR cause look so
good.   There WERE some offers to her to let her take
her dogs somewhere else for that weekend, which (I
don't recall) may have solved the problem, at least
for now.

As for all these other places, you can pretty well
figure that "noise" is an excuse for those who think
any kind of military display is an example of
"warmongering" (and I don't know this lady from Indy
but I wouldn't be surprised if that was true down
there as well) and there's always some person or group
of persons who are military-haters.  They'll use any
means to demonstrate, frustrate, etc., to the best of
their ability.

I defend their right to their opinions, but *I* get
mad (and start writing to elected officials) when
those opinions cease being opinions and start becoming
ill-conceived actions.  

Well folks - those of us who want airshows to continue
and include military aircraft need to do MORE than
just sit and "preach to the choir" here at
Milcom....make your voice heard and felt to the SAME
officials that the airshow-haters do and work to
protect what you love.  It worked here in Indiana; the
counter-opinion against that lady with the dogs was
very likely instrumental in saving the show.  If
you're not gonna do that, then don't complain if the
shows either go away or lose their military
components.  Stand up and be heard!

Duane
Indiana

--- Ken <rfinder1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Could very well pass!!!  Interestingly at the 50th
> Vermont Air National 
> Guard celebration last year, the Burlington Vt mayor
> basically took the same 
> stance about all the noise, AFTER the show, and
> basically seemed to nix any 
> airshows again while he's in political office.
> 
> Also about 6 years ago at Schenectady County Airport
> in Scotia/Glenville, 
> New York, the Blue Angels performed, and the
> aftermath (per someone I know 
> living in the area) complaining about the noise,
> traffic, etc. basically has 
> resulted in NO major military aerobatic team
> performing at the airshows that 
> is/was the major annual fund raising event for the
> Empire State Aeroscience 
> Museum.
> 
> Locally, here in Westfield, MA the 104 FW, is
> converting from A10's to 
> F15's --  You would think that the world is coming
> to an end.   Surely, 
> anyone who lives around an airport or on the
> approach/departure ends to the 
> runways should expect some aircraft noise, that's
> the way it is.   Barnes 
> ANGB has been around since the 1930's, and
> historically had fighter aircraft 
> that produced much more noise than the F15's.   What
> I unsuccessfully tried 
> to do with our local TV stations was to get them to
> take an indepth look 
> into the past "noise" and also to really get an
> understanding about the 
> typical F15 mission training/operational profile,
> which basically has the 
> aircraft taking off and training elsewhere, so you
> get a burst of noise 
> perhaps 10 times a day??
> 
>  If you compare that to Westover JARB (which I live
> fairly close to), you 
> have C5 aircraft as well as many visitor aircraft
> who constantly do ILS 
> approaches, touch/goes throughout the day and many
> evenings until 
> approximately 2130 hrs local.     Here's another
> point.  Some of the folks 
> that lived on the Runway 23 approach zone (Granby
> MA) actually got a 
> monetary settlement from the government when the
> 439th switched from C130 to 
> C5 aircraft.  What's even more interesting is I
> don't recall anyone on the 
> Runway 5 approach zone (Chicopee), Runway 15
> approach zone (Ludlow), Runway 
> 33 approach zone (S Hadley), getting any money.
>
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/environmental/airport_noise/part_150/states/media/roa_massachusetts_012696.pdf
>
http://chppm-www.apgea.army.mil/dehe/morenoise/DoDOperationalNoiseManaulFinalREV.pdf
> 
> So unfortunately, this type of concern/action will
> continue in the future!!!
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jason R" <jason_esva at yahoo.com>
> To: <milcom at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [MilCom] Anti-war Activists Call for End to
> Annual Blue Angels 
> Airshow in S.F
> 
> 
> > Milcom List
> >
> > You will not belive this CodePink, Global Exchange
> > and Veterans for Peace are working with Supervisor
> > Chris Daly on a resolution that TRYS to stop
> > the Blue Angels from doing flyovers durring
> > Fleet Week in San Fancisco scheduled for October!!
> 
> 
>
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