[Lowfer] RSGB LF Reflectors

[jrusgrove at comcast.net]

John

My recollection of the events ...

The problem started with a Blacksheep outage that  lasted about a day. This prompted those that have 
long wanted to move to Yahoo to spring into action ... again. This time was different in that they 
went ahead and set up the Yahoo reflector, got a few people to move over to it and then DEMANDED 
that Blacksheep be shut down! This, without any input from the membership of Blacksheep. It was 
clear from the discussions that followed that the most active members (those that are actually 
transmitting and receiving on a regular basis) wished to stay with Blacksheep as it better served 
their needs ... without the 'baggage' that came along with Yahoo. It was at that point that some 
were unable to unsubscribe from Blacksheep because they either forgot how to unsubscribe from 
Majordomo or had since started using 'alias' e mails. After considerable back and forth it was 
decided to let both reflectors run and see what happened.

Since I've remained subscribed to both I can see what has happened. The most active members (those 
that are actually transmitting and receiving on a regular) basis have remained with Blacksheep and 
post their exploits there. A few also post this information to Yahoo. Some Yahoo subscribers cut and 
paste from Blacksheep over to Yahoo to try and keep that group up to speed ... although this 
activity has diminished of late. Those that decided to go with Yahoo only are not getting the full 
information of what's happening on the bands.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Rabson" <john.rabson at numeo.fr>
To: <lowfer at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Lowfer] RSGB LF Reflectors


> If I recall correctly, people suggested Yahoo because they were having difficulty in subscribing 
> to the majordomo system and in unsubscribing. This problem was made worse because it seemed 
> impossible to get hold of the manager/moderator. Nobody seemed to know he was, and messages to him 
> seemed to require a roundabout route.
>
> I was not really interested in pro- and anti-Yahoo factions. Their discussions, on both 
> reflectors, seemed to me simply to raise the noise level and reminded me of the Algol 60 versus 
> Fortran arguments of my early years in computing.
>
> After using both systems for a while (and getting fed up with adding filters to cut out the noise) 
> I decided the one with a greater noise level.
>
> John F5VLF/G3PAI
>
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>> Well, I'm hoping they convert to the 21st century (Yahoo) list, because
>
>> that is what I plan to read, as far as over-the-pond LF goes. The "old"
>
>> list just has too much noise-to-signal ratio for me to deal with. ;-)
>
>
> Don't hold your breath ... there's a lot of dislike for Yahoo as well as resentment for the
> attempted 'hijacking' and 'forced' shutdown of blacksheep by a few Yahoo zealots.
>
> As with other e mail lists I can delete the 'noise' in mere msec without ever looking at the post
> ... based on the subject line and/or poster's name. Too much data ... too little time.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2On 14 Feb 2013, at 04:32CET, lowfer-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>
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