[LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS

K0DAN k0dan at comcast.net
Sat Oct 22 11:32:05 EDT 2011 

Happy to help.

I am still fairly new to dual monitors and while I have it working well for 
me, I think there are some tricks I could be doing (multiple task bars?) 
which are supported either/or by Windows and the graphics card software. I 
tried getting creative once, and lost all my settings and had to spend an 
hour starting over, so I am reluctant to experiment very much right now, but 
I have the sense that the dual monitor thing could be made more powerful 
after some experimentation. Point being, your scroll issue might be related. 
I don't break apart the LOGIC sub-tasks, so I am OK having them all in one 
big glob, but if you like to fragment them, it seems to me they ought to 
move and act independently, as long as they don't think they're docked to 
the "mother ship".

73
dan
k0dan

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben Hatheway N6FM
Sent: October 21, 2011 11:31 PM
To: logic at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS

Sounds like it. Thanks for the test. I'll have to look further or content
myself with the main window containing the spot log, which, so far, hasn't
been a problem.   That T32C has been filling up the alert window, so
scrolling is certainly beneficial.

Thanks again..

Ben

> -----Original Message-----
> From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K0DAN
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:11 PM
> To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
>
> OK I pulled the main LOGIC window down to Monitor #1 and kept the
> SPOTLOG window up on Monitor #2.
>
> Restarted various sources for spotlog data, watched a refresh, then
brought
> mouse onto window and was able to scroll up/down among spots with no
> problems.
>
> Was this what you wanted me to do?
> 73
> k0dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Hatheway N6FM
> Sent: October 21, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
>
> For a test, can you temporarily pull the spot log out of the main window,
set
> it for "IN DESKTOP", then move the main window to monitor #1 leaving the
> spot log in #2, then fill it with spots and, finally try scrolling with
the mouse
> wheel after clicking on the spot log to make it active??
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> > bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K0DAN
> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:57 PM
> > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > Cc: dh at hosenose.com
> > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> >
> > Yes I understand now. To clarify, all my LOGIC tasks (except LOGICMAP)
> > are lumped together, so the forms are NOT separate. Since you have a
> > useable work-around I did not modify what I have (sometimes I go
> > places and cannot get back to the starting point!).
> >
> > This works well for me and keeps my mouse "focused".
> >
> > GL es 73
> >
> > dan
> > k0dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Hatheway N6FM
> > Sent: October 21, 2011 01:33 PM
> > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > Cc: dh at hosenose.com
> > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> >
> > Dan:
> >
> > You don't indicate whether this "one big logic window" means that the
> forms
> > are separate, "in desktop",  or still within the main logic screen.
> > Mine
> are
> > separate windows on the Windows desktop, so that the main Logic form
> > is reduced to the size where just the radio frequency is visible.
> >
> > On a hunch, I expanded the main logic window and placed the spot log
> inside
> > of it, unchecking "IN DESKTOP" on the spot log form. I then dragged
> > the resulting combined window to the second monitor and now I CAN
> > scroll it That will be an adequate work-around.
> >
> > To summarize: If the spot log is by itself, "In desktop" (not within
> > the
> main
> > logic form) I cannot scroll it with the mouse wheel on any monitor
> > other
> than
> > #1. If , however, I place the spot log within the main form and turn
> > OFF
> "in
> > desktop" so that the spot log is now confined to the main Logic form ,
> then it
> > WILL scroll with the mouse wheel on any monitor.
> >
> > Orphan windows that are removed from the Logic screen (form), only
> > scroll
> if
> > placed on the main screen.  If the main screen is placed on a
> > secondary monitor and the orphan window is placed back within it and
> > "In Desktop" is unchecked, then the window can be scrolled with the
> wheel.
> >
> > Hope I have clarified it sufficiently. It will suffice as a work-around.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ben
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> > > bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K0DAN
> > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:26 AM
> > > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > > Cc: dh at hosenose.com
> > > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> > >
> > > Running Windows 7 Ultimate X64 with LOGIC 8 here. Use ATI 5670
> > > Radeon graphics card with two 24" monitors. Via the graphics
> > > card/Windows they
> > are
> > > set up as "Extended Displays", that is, I have two 24" screens which
> > comprise
> > > one big desktop.
> > >
> > > Only the "primary" display has a toolbar/taskbar at the bottom. Any
> > > open apps can be dragged from one screen to another, and if the
> > > system closes down properly, Windows will remember the position of
> > > the open applications.
> > > Works slick.
> > >
> > > As to LOGIC, I cluster my logging, callbook, info, and spot screens
> > together
> > > (one big LOGIC window) on the second monitor. As long as I have
> > > clicked
> > the
> > > mouse (actually a trackball in my case) "focus" onto a LOGIC screen,
> > > the mouse buttons & wheels move & scroll just fine within LOGIC. If
> > > I
> > point/click
> > > on another application, then the "focus" changes to the other
> > > application,
> > no
> > > matter what screen it's on.
> > >
> > > Perhaps I am not understanding the problem correctly (could you
> > > summarize if you want me to try again?) but everything seems to be
> > > working fine
> > here,
> > > using the two monitors.
> > >
> > > 73
> > > dan
> > > k0dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dennis
> > > Sent: October 20, 2011 08:17 PM
> > > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff
> > >
> > > Ok, strange.  I am curious if it happens to everyone.  I have a
> > > second
> > monitor
> > > I can hook up & try it. But I won't be able to do anything about it.
> > There is no
> > > code in LOGic to handle multiple monitors (it has no idea if it is
> > > in
> > another
> > > monitor or not), and no code to handle the mouse wheel either for
> > > that matter. Windows does it all.
> > >
> > > Tnx & 73,
> > >
> > > Dennis WN4AZY
> > >
> > > On 10/20/2011 8:17 PM, Ben Hatheway N6FM wrote:
> > > > Dennis:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the reply. To clarify, the scrolling of the spot log
> > > > window issue is not whether or not the window is "in windows
> > > > desktop". It is run as a separate window in all cases. I run all
> windows "in
> > desktop"
> > > > and they are spread out over three monitors.  The main window of
> > > > Logic is compressed down to a small block in the corner of the
> > > > screen.  As a test, I dragged the "other QSO's" form to another
> > > > monitor (it is full of T32C QSO's so there is a scroll bar) and it
> > > > didn't scroll with the mouse wheel either. I dragged the right 1/4
> > > > of the form back to the main monitor so that it straddled two
> > > > monitors and when the mouse was on that portion of the form that
> > > > was on the main monitor, it scrolled fine.
> > > > For comparison, I.E. 9, Firefox, Chrome, etc all will scroll with
> > > > the mouse wheel if placed on any monitor here.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again for the reply on the other issues.
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> > > >> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:57 PM
> > > >> To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > > >> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Ben:
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10/20/2011 2:13 PM, Ben Hatheway N6FM wrote:
> > > >>> I have been a Logic  user since Logic 5 and really enjoy the
> > > >>> versatility and easiness to configure and make changes. There
> > > >>> are, however some minor annoyances  to which some attention
> > > >>> might be
> > > paid.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1.       When running the spot log on a monitor other than the
main
> > one,
> > > > the
> > > >>> spot log cannot be scrolled with the mouse thumbwheel. If I drag
> > > >>> one end of the spot log to the main screen, I can scroll the
> > > >>> spot log with the mouse wheel from the end that is on the main
> screen.
> > > >>> This occurs if the video card is the same for each monitor or not.
> > > >>> Thumb scrolling only works from the main screen.
> > > >> I don't have a second monitor, but putting the spot log window IN
> > > >> WINDOWS DESKTOP makes no difference here -- it works  At any
> > > >> rate, there isn't anything I can do -- We have no control over
> > > >> what Windows does when moving between monitors.  Maybe an
> updated
> > video
> > > >> driver
> > > will work.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 2.       DX scape window often returns with "File too small"
errors.
> > > > This
> > > >>> might be attributed to a problem with the web site, however,
> > > >>> re-downloading often works, if not, closing the form and
> > > >>> reopening it works EVERY TIME. Too coincidental to be a website
> problem IMHO.
> > > >> That would typically be the case.  However, I have seen a case on
> > > >> one
> > > > guy's
> > > >> machine where IE simply failed to load the whole page after
> > > >> logging
> in.
> > > >> I
> > > >> have not found a cause.  A lot of that is getting rewritten, so
> > > >> that may
> > > > help.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 3.       Occasionally when closing the program, it will ask if I
> want
> > to
> > > >>> save the log, even if it has already been saved. If I select no,
> > > >>> the program returns back with all the previously used forms open.
> > > >> Ok, you're using the option to prompt before saving?  See if you
> > > >> can reproduce the problem -- something is changing a field.  I
> > > >> don't use that option so it may well be a problem I am not aware
of.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 4.       Alerts do not display automatically. A message window
does
> > pop
> > > > up,
> > > >>> but I have to click on the main log window and back to the alert
> > > >>> window
> > > > to
> > > >>> see them. This can be annoying considering all the spots that
> > > >>> have
> > > >> appearing
> > > >>> fast and furious for T32C. I realize I could filter the main
> > > >>> log, but I still want to keep track of what else is going on in
> > > >>> the world. (However
> > > > the
> > > >>> existing implementation of the alert might indicate that it is
> > > >>> not practicable).
> > > >> I see that too.  Will look at it.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 5.       Nice to have- Could DX Atlas show a line from my QTH to
the
> > dot
> > > >>> representing the location of the selected DX station? TRX
> > > >>> Manager does,
> > > > I
> > > >>> thought it might be nice to have one there.
> > > >> DX station selected where? The spot log?  It does draw on LOGic's
> > > >> map as you scroll thru spots.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 6.       Could the MODE field (and the band field) in the spot log
> be
> > > >>> determined by the main spotted frequency instead of the offset?
> > > >>> Too
> > > >> often,
> > > >>> the spotting station uses some unorthodox verbiage to indicate
> > > >>> the split
> > > >> and
> > > >>> Logic cannot (nor should be expected to) decipher what is meant.
> > > >> Sometimes
> > > >>> it shows a 10 meter spot instead of a 15 meter spot (or
> > > >>> something like
> > > > that)
> > > >>> because Logic thinks the offset is in the 10 meter band because
> > > >>> some
> > > >> spotter
> > > >>> used the actual split frequency with the "UP" parameter.
> > > >> I'll have to check my notes on that if I have any -- it would
> > > >> have required some extra effort to use the RX freq -- there must
> > > >> have been a reason but I don't recall why.
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> All software possesses some anomalous behavior, but even with
> > > >>> these
> > > >> minor
> > > >>> annoyances, Logic still remains the best choice for fast,
> > > >>> efficient
> > > > logging
> > > >>> spotting, reporting, and  flexibility I have ever used.
> > > >> Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> 73,
> > > >>
> > > >> Dennis WN4AZY
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ben
> > > >>>
> > > >>> N6FM
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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