[LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS

Ben Hatheway N6FM n6fm at oregonfast.net
Sat Oct 22 00:31:16 EDT 2011 

Sounds like it. Thanks for the test. I'll have to look further or content
myself with the main window containing the spot log, which, so far, hasn't
been a problem.   That T32C has been filling up the alert window, so
scrolling is certainly beneficial. 

Thanks again..

Ben

> -----Original Message-----
> From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K0DAN
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:11 PM
> To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> 
> OK I pulled the main LOGIC window down to Monitor #1 and kept the
> SPOTLOG window up on Monitor #2.
> 
> Restarted various sources for spotlog data, watched a refresh, then
brought
> mouse onto window and was able to scroll up/down among spots with no
> problems.
> 
> Was this what you wanted me to do?
> 73
> k0dan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Hatheway N6FM
> Sent: October 21, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> 
> For a test, can you temporarily pull the spot log out of the main window,
set
> it for "IN DESKTOP", then move the main window to monitor #1 leaving the
> spot log in #2, then fill it with spots and, finally try scrolling with
the mouse
> wheel after clicking on the spot log to make it active??
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> > bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K0DAN
> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:57 PM
> > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > Cc: dh at hosenose.com
> > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> >
> > Yes I understand now. To clarify, all my LOGIC tasks (except LOGICMAP)
> > are lumped together, so the forms are NOT separate. Since you have a
> > useable work-around I did not modify what I have (sometimes I go
> > places and cannot get back to the starting point!).
> >
> > This works well for me and keeps my mouse "focused".
> >
> > GL es 73
> >
> > dan
> > k0dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Hatheway N6FM
> > Sent: October 21, 2011 01:33 PM
> > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > Cc: dh at hosenose.com
> > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> >
> > Dan:
> >
> > You don't indicate whether this "one big logic window" means that the
> forms
> > are separate, "in desktop",  or still within the main logic screen.
> > Mine
> are
> > separate windows on the Windows desktop, so that the main Logic form
> > is reduced to the size where just the radio frequency is visible.
> >
> > On a hunch, I expanded the main logic window and placed the spot log
> inside
> > of it, unchecking "IN DESKTOP" on the spot log form. I then dragged
> > the resulting combined window to the second monitor and now I CAN
> > scroll it That will be an adequate work-around.
> >
> > To summarize: If the spot log is by itself, "In desktop" (not within
> > the
> main
> > logic form) I cannot scroll it with the mouse wheel on any monitor
> > other
> than
> > #1. If , however, I place the spot log within the main form and turn
> > OFF
> "in
> > desktop" so that the spot log is now confined to the main Logic form ,
> then it
> > WILL scroll with the mouse wheel on any monitor.
> >
> > Orphan windows that are removed from the Logic screen (form), only
> > scroll
> if
> > placed on the main screen.  If the main screen is placed on a
> > secondary monitor and the orphan window is placed back within it and
> > "In Desktop" is unchecked, then the window can be scrolled with the
> wheel.
> >
> > Hope I have clarified it sufficiently. It will suffice as a work-around.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ben
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> > > bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K0DAN
> > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:26 AM
> > > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > > Cc: dh at hosenose.com
> > > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff RE 2 MONITORS
> > >
> > > Running Windows 7 Ultimate X64 with LOGIC 8 here. Use ATI 5670
> > > Radeon graphics card with two 24" monitors. Via the graphics
> > > card/Windows they
> > are
> > > set up as "Extended Displays", that is, I have two 24" screens which
> > comprise
> > > one big desktop.
> > >
> > > Only the "primary" display has a toolbar/taskbar at the bottom. Any
> > > open apps can be dragged from one screen to another, and if the
> > > system closes down properly, Windows will remember the position of
> > > the open applications.
> > > Works slick.
> > >
> > > As to LOGIC, I cluster my logging, callbook, info, and spot screens
> > together
> > > (one big LOGIC window) on the second monitor. As long as I have
> > > clicked
> > the
> > > mouse (actually a trackball in my case) "focus" onto a LOGIC screen,
> > > the mouse buttons & wheels move & scroll just fine within LOGIC. If
> > > I
> > point/click
> > > on another application, then the "focus" changes to the other
> > > application,
> > no
> > > matter what screen it's on.
> > >
> > > Perhaps I am not understanding the problem correctly (could you
> > > summarize if you want me to try again?) but everything seems to be
> > > working fine
> > here,
> > > using the two monitors.
> > >
> > > 73
> > > dan
> > > k0dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dennis
> > > Sent: October 20, 2011 08:17 PM
> > > To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > > Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff
> > >
> > > Ok, strange.  I am curious if it happens to everyone.  I have a
> > > second
> > monitor
> > > I can hook up & try it. But I won't be able to do anything about it.
> > There is no
> > > code in LOGic to handle multiple monitors (it has no idea if it is
> > > in
> > another
> > > monitor or not), and no code to handle the mouse wheel either for
> > > that matter. Windows does it all.
> > >
> > > Tnx & 73,
> > >
> > > Dennis WN4AZY
> > >
> > > On 10/20/2011 8:17 PM, Ben Hatheway N6FM wrote:
> > > > Dennis:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the reply. To clarify, the scrolling of the spot log
> > > > window issue is not whether or not the window is "in windows
> > > > desktop". It is run as a separate window in all cases. I run all
> windows "in
> > desktop"
> > > > and they are spread out over three monitors.  The main window of
> > > > Logic is compressed down to a small block in the corner of the
> > > > screen.  As a test, I dragged the "other QSO's" form to another
> > > > monitor (it is full of T32C QSO's so there is a scroll bar) and it
> > > > didn't scroll with the mouse wheel either. I dragged the right 1/4
> > > > of the form back to the main monitor so that it straddled two
> > > > monitors and when the mouse was on that portion of the form that
> > > > was on the main monitor, it scrolled fine.
> > > > For comparison, I.E. 9, Firefox, Chrome, etc all will scroll with
> > > > the mouse wheel if placed on any monitor here.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again for the reply on the other issues.
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-
> > > >> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:57 PM
> > > >> To: logic at mailman.qth.net
> > > >> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Misc. Stuff
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Ben:
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10/20/2011 2:13 PM, Ben Hatheway N6FM wrote:
> > > >>> I have been a Logic  user since Logic 5 and really enjoy the
> > > >>> versatility and easiness to configure and make changes. There
> > > >>> are, however some minor annoyances  to which some attention
> > > >>> might be
> > > paid.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1.       When running the spot log on a monitor other than the
main
> > one,
> > > > the
> > > >>> spot log cannot be scrolled with the mouse thumbwheel. If I drag
> > > >>> one end of the spot log to the main screen, I can scroll the
> > > >>> spot log with the mouse wheel from the end that is on the main
> screen.
> > > >>> This occurs if the video card is the same for each monitor or not.
> > > >>> Thumb scrolling only works from the main screen.
> > > >> I don't have a second monitor, but putting the spot log window IN
> > > >> WINDOWS DESKTOP makes no difference here -- it works  At any
> > > >> rate, there isn't anything I can do -- We have no control over
> > > >> what Windows does when moving between monitors.  Maybe an
> updated
> > video
> > > >> driver
> > > will work.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 2.       DX scape window often returns with "File too small"
errors.
> > > > This
> > > >>> might be attributed to a problem with the web site, however,
> > > >>> re-downloading often works, if not, closing the form and
> > > >>> reopening it works EVERY TIME. Too coincidental to be a website
> problem IMHO.
> > > >> That would typically be the case.  However, I have seen a case on
> > > >> one
> > > > guy's
> > > >> machine where IE simply failed to load the whole page after
> > > >> logging
> in.
> > > >> I
> > > >> have not found a cause.  A lot of that is getting rewritten, so
> > > >> that may
> > > > help.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 3.       Occasionally when closing the program, it will ask if I
> want
> > to
> > > >>> save the log, even if it has already been saved. If I select no,
> > > >>> the program returns back with all the previously used forms open.
> > > >> Ok, you're using the option to prompt before saving?  See if you
> > > >> can reproduce the problem -- something is changing a field.  I
> > > >> don't use that option so it may well be a problem I am not aware
of.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 4.       Alerts do not display automatically. A message window
does
> > pop
> > > > up,
> > > >>> but I have to click on the main log window and back to the alert
> > > >>> window
> > > > to
> > > >>> see them. This can be annoying considering all the spots that
> > > >>> have
> > > >> appearing
> > > >>> fast and furious for T32C. I realize I could filter the main
> > > >>> log, but I still want to keep track of what else is going on in
> > > >>> the world. (However
> > > > the
> > > >>> existing implementation of the alert might indicate that it is
> > > >>> not practicable).
> > > >> I see that too.  Will look at it.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 5.       Nice to have- Could DX Atlas show a line from my QTH to
the
> > dot
> > > >>> representing the location of the selected DX station? TRX
> > > >>> Manager does,
> > > > I
> > > >>> thought it might be nice to have one there.
> > > >> DX station selected where? The spot log?  It does draw on LOGic's
> > > >> map as you scroll thru spots.
> > > >>
> > > >>> 6.       Could the MODE field (and the band field) in the spot log
> be
> > > >>> determined by the main spotted frequency instead of the offset?
> > > >>> Too
> > > >> often,
> > > >>> the spotting station uses some unorthodox verbiage to indicate
> > > >>> the split
> > > >> and
> > > >>> Logic cannot (nor should be expected to) decipher what is meant.
> > > >> Sometimes
> > > >>> it shows a 10 meter spot instead of a 15 meter spot (or
> > > >>> something like
> > > > that)
> > > >>> because Logic thinks the offset is in the 10 meter band because
> > > >>> some
> > > >> spotter
> > > >>> used the actual split frequency with the "UP" parameter.
> > > >> I'll have to check my notes on that if I have any -- it would
> > > >> have required some extra effort to use the RX freq -- there must
> > > >> have been a reason but I don't recall why.
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> All software possesses some anomalous behavior, but even with
> > > >>> these
> > > >> minor
> > > >>> annoyances, Logic still remains the best choice for fast,
> > > >>> efficient
> > > > logging
> > > >>> spotting, reporting, and  flexibility I have ever used.
> > > >> Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> 73,
> > > >>
> > > >> Dennis WN4AZY
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ben
> > > >>>
> > > >>> N6FM
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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