[KYHAM] RE: KYHAM Digest, Vol 17, Issue 22

Mon Jun 27 06:54:35 EDT 2005

Folks, just remember as long as things are handled properly, most all
are safe. Also, any as it states BLEVE is a Boiling Liquid Expanding
Vapor Explosion and any contained liquid can BLEVE, even the pressure
cooker of beans and "taters" on the stove when the liquid is boiled away
and there are beans and you have beans and "taters" on the ceiling.
Best solution is handle them all properly. 

Wayne Mullannix AA4WM
Administrator, Kentucky Fire Commission
300 N. Main St.
Versailles, KY 40383
(800) 782-6823
(859) 256-3180 Office
(859) 608-7575 Cell
wayne.mullannix at kctcs.edu 
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   1. Fw: [KYHAM] Re: BPL, Ham radio and the EOC (c.b.)
   2. Re: Re: BPL, Ham radio and the EOC (Blake Bowers)
   3. "gas" vs. diesel gen-sets (was BPL, Ham radio and the EOC) (A. W.)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:58:26 -0500
From: "c.b." <gooberl at logantele.com>
Subject: Fw: [KYHAM] Re: BPL, Ham radio and the EOC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "c.b." <gooberl at logantele.com>
To: "Blake Bowers" <bbowers at mozarks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [KYHAM] Re: BPL, Ham radio and the EOC

> BLEVE boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion
> not a pretty site
>
> propane is dangerous no question about it
> Diesel is the safest combustion fuel available
> propane tanks have lifitng lugs for empty tanks only
>
> I am the retired safety director of TVA power plants
> everyone of which has TWO diesel motors on stand-by for emergency fire
> protection
> each motor and pump is test ran each week
> sure there is some problems
> but for reliability and safety Diesel is hard to beat.\
> W4HNI
> Charles "Goober" Lehman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blake Bowers" <bbowers at mozarks.com>
> To: "Fred Flowers" <fred_flowers at bellsouth.net>; "N4AOF"
<n4aof at arrl.net>;
> <kyham at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [KYHAM] Re: BPL, Ham radio and the EOC
>
>
> > It's done all the time Fred.  Many propane companies
> > do it.  Chain the two hooks together, lift on the chain.
> >
> > No difference from a cradle, it lifts from the same
> > points.  Very often tanks are in positions where
> > you cannot get a cradle to it.
> >
> > Propane is very safe if handled properly.
> >
> >
> > > it is loaded.  BTW, let me know when you load the 500 gallon tank
with
> > > your backhoe.  I want to be in the other end of the state.  EMS
will
be
> to
> > > busy, with earthquake victims, to respond to your crisp butt.  A
propane
> > > tank is a bomb that hasn't gone off....yet.  It should be treated
as
> such.
> > >
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:17:54 -0500
From: "Blake Bowers" <bbowers at mozarks.com>
Subject: Re: [KYHAM] Re: BPL, Ham radio and the EOC
To: "c.b." <gooberl at logantele.com>, "Kyham" <kyham at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <03c401c57aad$b7cf6380$fb58060a at blake>
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I am pretty familiar with BLEVE, as presently a
Fire Chief, having been in the fire service since the
70's, being an instructor in handling propane
emergencies, and my son teaches the class as
a state certified instructor.  I fail to see how
BLEVE has anything to do with lifting a propane
tank however.

Propane is even used as vehicle fuel now.  Again,
handled properly, it is safe.  

While Diesel may be "the safest combustion
fuel" that does not mean that properly
handled propane, gas, or even nuclear
fuel is unsafe.

I stand by my statements.  I have also been
in the telecommunications industry for years,
and have experience with hundreds of gensets,
diesel, and propane.

>> BLEVE boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion
>> not a pretty site
>>
>> propane is dangerous no question about it
>> Diesel is the safest combustion fuel available
>> propane tanks have lifitng lugs for empty tanks only
>>
>> I am the retired safety director of TVA power plants
>> everyone of which has TWO diesel motors on stand-by for emergency
fire
>> protection
>> each motor and pump is test ran each week
>> sure there is some problems
>> but for reliability and safety Diesel is hard to beat.\
>> W4HNI
>> Charles "Goober" Lehman
>>

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. W." <ky4sp at yahoo.com>
Subject: [KYHAM] "gas" vs. diesel gen-sets (was BPL, Ham radio and the
	EOC)
To: Kyham <kyham at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <20050627033328.41784.qmail at web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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 This has been interesting so far. The point of my
original reply has been made, in that now is the time
to think about re-supply for your gen-set; not 20
minutes before the tank runs dry.

 Here is anouther one - how many of you "public
safety" guys have a set of filters and engine belts
stored on site? You know when they are going to fail.

AW 

--- Blake Bowers <bbowers at mozarks.com> wrote:

> I am pretty familiar with BLEVE, as presently a
> Fire Chief, having been in the fire service since
> the
> 70's, being an instructor in handling propane
> emergencies, and my son teaches the class as
> a state certified instructor.  I fail to see how
> BLEVE has anything to do with lifting a propane
> tank however.
> 
> Propane is even used as vehicle fuel now.  Again,
> handled properly, it is safe.  
> 
> While Diesel may be "the safest combustion
> fuel" that does not mean that properly
> handled propane, gas, or even nuclear
> fuel is unsafe.
> 
> I stand by my statements.  I have also been
> in the telecommunications industry for years,
> and have experience with hundreds of gensets,
> diesel, and propane.
> 
> >> BLEVE boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion
> >> not a pretty site
> >>
> >> propane is dangerous no question about it
> >> Diesel is the safest combustion fuel available
> >> propane tanks have lifitng lugs for empty tanks
> only
> >>
> >> I am the retired safety director of TVA power
> plants
> >> everyone of which has TWO diesel motors on
> stand-by for emergency fire
> >> protection
> >> each motor and pump is test ran each week
> >> sure there is some problems
> >> but for reliability and safety Diesel is hard to
> beat.\
> >> W4HNI
> >> Charles "Goober" Lehman
> >>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.kyham.net/support.html
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