[K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??

Philip Karras ke3fl at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 6 12:07:47 EST 2010 

My guess is that the 500GB drive is still working. I have an external connector to connect any kind of drive via a USB port so perhaps at a club meeting I could bring it & my laptop & we could at least check the HD that way.

Phil

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
> To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:08 AM
> 
> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS x86
>  
> BIOS is from around 2001-2003 (uncertain as to exact era)
> BIOS has option for CHS, LBA, Large and AUTO for HDD
> "Access Mode"
> (Is Large = LBA48 ?)
> I had kept BIOS at AUTO and 500GB was detected.
>  
> For Scott's question, the drive was originally detected as
> 500GB when I first installed it.
> I copied over my data but hadn't expanded any partition to
> the full size of the drive yet.
> (Wanted to make sure all was well before I did)
> (gparted from liveCD and Ubuntu can see the full 500GB
> drive, when it was still detected)
>  
> For Steve's question bootloader is GRUB and worked before
> drive was no longer detected.
> I was able to boot to Ubuntu and check email but now the
> drive is no longer booting.
>  
> This IDE error is new to me, the bug reports are a few
> years old in some cases and more recent in others.
> (Some are Ubuntu 7.10 others are Ubuntu 9.04)
> But for me I didn't get this error till after the 500GB
> drive went bad and I put the old one back in.
> (The error occurs with the old 30GB)
>  
> I think I did notice a jumper setting for 137GB on the new
> drive.
> But didn't set it that way because I thought the BIOS could
> take it.
> (Unless I am mistaken in regards to the Large = LBA48
> thing)
>  
> I'll try to see if that makes a difference.
> (I am little uncertain that the drive may not have suffered
> some damage by now.)
>  
> > From: comulada at verizon.net
> > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:25:08 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer
> expert of the club ??
> > 
> > Sean, 
> > What flavor/version of Linux are you using and how old
> is the pc/bios
> > you are using? I looked up your error and it seems
> there's some sort of
> > a kernel bug going around that is giving this same
> drive error. 
> > 
> > It seems as though the system is not shutting down
> properly and the
> > kernel is trying to halt the IDE channel twice and
> this is causing a
> > conflict thus confusing the kernel and never really
> shutting down all
> > the way. 
> > 
> > Here's a link I found that may be of some help...
> > 
> > This is the link to the main thread on the Ubuntu
> forums:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/193125
> > 
> > This is an external link from one of the posts:
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11994
> > 
> > It's worth a shot to look into this (even if it's not
> the solution for
> > your issue).
> > 
> > Anthony, KB3RJH
> > 
> > 
> > Ubuntu Release 8.10 (Intrepid)
> > Kernel Linux 2.6.27-16 (Generic)
> > Gnome 2.24.1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 23:11 -0500, Sean Shaffer
> wrote:
> > > Progress Report:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Old drive was not working because the bios was
> auto-adjusting to no drive for booting.
> > > 
> > > So new drive was not detected and then when I put
> old drive back in the bios wasn't set for it.
> > > 
> > > Not sure why bios won't adjust back when a good
> drive is installed but once the HD is auto-removed from boot
> order that how it remains.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I can't turn off LAN booting but I can turn off
> that "position".
> > > 
> > > Weird setup not sure how common that is but you
> don't enable/disable a device but rather the position in the
> boot order.
> > > 
> > > So I only have the first three positions set
> (Floppy,CDROM,HD) and the last position is disabled.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So what I find is that the old drive works.
> > > 
> > > The new one doesn't.
> > > 
> > > And on shutdown with the old drive, Linux reports
> that it "cannot iterate the IDE device: No such file or
> directory"
> > > 
> > > Any other Linux users ? What does that mean ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I may take it back tommorrow but would like to
> know if may happen again before I bring a replacement home.
> > > 
> > > (Picked this up local in Staples.)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:03:00 -0800
> > > > From: ke3fl at yahoo.com
> > > > To: comulada at verizon.net;
> k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the
> resident computer expert of the club ??
> > > > 
> > > > Try the known good cable, - good idea.
> > > > 
> > > > "I'd say the drive has gone south but" - If
> neither HD works it is highly unlikely that both died at the
> same time, and one while it was not even being used!
> > > > 
> > > > pk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Anthony Comulada <comulada at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > From: Anthony Comulada <comulada at verizon.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the
> resident computer expert of the club ??
> > > > > To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club"
> <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:44
> PM
> > > > > Try a different IDE/sata cable (ie
> > > > > the one from the other IDE/sata
> > > > > channel that still working). Try to put
> the drive(s) in the
> > > > > second
> > > > > IDE/sata channel and see if the 2nd
> channel recognizes a
> > > > > drive is in
> > > > > there. The other step you should
> probably take is to verify
> > > > > the drives
> > > > > on a known working systemboard. Or you
> could take the
> > > > > drives to a
> > > > > friends house and try it out on their
> computer... I have an
> > > > > external USB
> > > > > enclosure that comes in handy for that
> kind of stuff. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > With out looking at it, I'd say the
> drive has gone south
> > > > > but, the IDE
> > > > > could be bad or both...it's not
> uncommon for drives to
> > > > > expire early in
> > > > > life... It's got to be one or the
> other.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anthony, KB3RJH
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 19:40 -0500, Sean
> Shaffer wrote:
> > > > > > I'll have to check the bios
> again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The first time I checked it did
> not detect the IDE
> > > > > drive (listed as none)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But I forgot to look at the boot
> order (since it
> > > > > didn't list an IDE at all).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The USB drive is not connected.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I removed all peripherials but
> monitor, keyboard and
> > > > > mouse
> > > > > > (mouse is usb though if that
> matters)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In answer to Phil, after the 500GB
> drive was not
> > > > > detected I tried the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > original 30GB with the same
> result.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And Steve's email reminded me that
> I hadn't checked
> > > > > the boot order 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (but the BIOS does not detect
> either drive now?)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This bios, I don't think, won't
> let me turn off the
> > > > > PXE boot I can only
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > place it in the last order
> position. Unless
> > > > > there a keystroke not listed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > that lets me disable.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I currently have the original 30GB
> drive in it I'll
> > > > > check bios options and
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > boot order again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010
> 19:05:27 -0500
> > > > > > > From: wo3l at comcast.net
> > > > > > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who
> is the resident
> > > > > computer expert of the club ??
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 1st thing is to pull the
> drive you installed
> > > > > today and make sure it 
> > > > > > > still boots off the internal
> disk.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The USB disk should be
> hotplug unless something
> > > > > very strange is going 
> > > > > > > on, so with the system booted
> connect that device
> > > > > and make sure the OS 
> > > > > > > sees it and things are OK.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > To work out the boot issues
> check the BIOS boot
> > > > > order and see if it 
> > > > > > > added the new USB device to
> the top causing the
> > > > > SATA or IDE drive to 
> > > > > > > fall off the bottom of the
> list.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On 1/5/2010 18:43, Sean
> Shaffer wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I may have done
> something stupid but can't
> > > > > quite tell.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I may need another pair
> of eyes on
> > > > > something.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I installed a 500GB hard
> drive into an old
> > > > > PC
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (not quite that old,
> 2003-ish maybe).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All was well, I copied
> my data to it and
> > > > > only had to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > fix the bootloader.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For a week it worked
> without issues.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Today I had everything
> turned off, plugged
> > > > > it all into
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a new surge protector,
> plugged in a second
> > > > > usb
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > external drive and
> turned it all back on.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On reboot all I get is
> the PXE net boot
> > > > > option and a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > message that no boot
> device is found and I
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the cables.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I tried 3 IDE cables and
> 2 power cables, I
> > > > > cannot get
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the IDE drives (either
> the new one or the
> > > > > old one) to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > be recognized.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > DVD/CD still works, I
> can run off boot discs
> > > > > or LiveCDs
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sean KB3IMT
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
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