[ILQSO] stuff

[Dave Belville]

Chuck,

Thank you for your response. I fired off that comment without
thinking first. I tend to do that at times. My apologies.
You are correct. Most everyone has access to a microphone for SSB and many
of the people who use FTx probably use other digital modes too. There may
be some that, for whatever reason, cannot use a microphone or CW key but if
they can use a keyboard for FTx, they should be able to use it for those
other digital modes (including CW).
The other thing I didn't think about is that since it is not practical to
try and make FTx logs and exchanges conform to the ILQP rules, it's not a
matter of FTx being excluded. FTx just isn't compatible. I see that now and
again, I apologize for my failure to think before I acted.

I hope to get to work you during the party.

73

Dave, NI9M

“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those
who speak it.”
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 1:03 PM Chuck <chuckschneebeli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Speaking as a contester, I have seen FT8 pretty much ruin VHF contesting.
> Nobody hardly uses cw/ssb during those events. And, for myself and other
> contesters (guys who do more than the ILQP), the excitement of high rates
> and actually tuning the vfo and hunting stations is the whole draw to that
> part of the sport. In order for the guy who “doesn’t have access” to
> cw/ssb, there needs to be other stations on FT for him to work. When more
> stations go to FT instead of cw or ssb, the fewer there are for the serious
> guys to work at high rates (remember, this attracts us serious guys)…And
> that will turn to boredom and ultimately them (and me) not participating.
>
> Plus, FT doesn’t allow for the prescribed ILQP county abbreviations for
> county line stations.
>
> Lets be honest here…how many don’t have access to SSB? One? Two?  Most
> every rig comes with a mic.
>
> Just my 2 cents and explanation…
>
> 73 Chuck KI9A
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 23, 2024, at 12:26 PM, Dave Belville <davebelville at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > That is a mistake. Maybe FT4 or FT8 will not contribute a lot but by
> > excluding those modes, you may exclude some operators that, for whatever
> > reason, only have one of those modes available to them.
> > I am a CW only operator and do not use the FT4 or FT8 modes but if the
> > operators that do use it want to go to the trouble of exchanging
> real-time
> > info that conforms to ILQP rules, you should allow it. It's part of the
> > hobby and anyone that enjoys the hobby should be allowed to participate.
> I
> > thought I saw an email that said something like, "even a small log is a
> > log".
> >
> > Just my opinion... for what it's worth.
> >
> > Dave Belville, NI9M
> >
> > “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those
> > who speak it.”
> > Author Unknown
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 11:43 AM <n9jfcountyhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey troops,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> After some discussion with the steering committee, a rules note will be
> >> added to state that "Due to the complexity of making a valid exchange,
> >> contacts via FT4 and FT8 will not receive contest credit."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know we can't make everyone happy with this.  Is it "possible" to
> >> exchange
> >> real-time info that conforms to ILQP rules on FT4 or FT8?  Probably yes.
> >> Do
> >> I find those modes fascinating?  Yes.  Are they going to contribute
> >> anything
> >> useful to the event?  I don't think so.  Spend your time on another
> digital
> >> mode, CW or SSB.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Other suggestions as to entry categories are appreciated and considered.
> >> At
> >> some point, additional time in processing becomes a factor, and any new
> >> plaque would require a sponsor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Carry on.
> >>
> >> 73, Jim N9JF
> >>
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