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[Chuck]

I hope to see you also!

BTW, QTH is Belleville, IL. Noticed your name 😎

73 Chuck KI9A
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> On Sep 23, 2024, at 3:17 PM, Dave Belville <davebelville at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> Thank you for your response. I fired off that comment without
> thinking first. I tend to do that at times. My apologies.
> You are correct. Most everyone has access to a microphone for SSB and many
> of the people who use FTx probably use other digital modes too. There may
> be some that, for whatever reason, cannot use a microphone or CW key but if
> they can use a keyboard for FTx, they should be able to use it for those
> other digital modes (including CW).
> The other thing I didn't think about is that since it is not practical to
> try and make FTx logs and exchanges conform to the ILQP rules, it's not a
> matter of FTx being excluded. FTx just isn't compatible. I see that now and
> again, I apologize for my failure to think before I acted.
> 
> I hope to get to work you during the party.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dave, NI9M
> 
> “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those
> who speak it.”
> Author Unknown
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 1:03 PM Chuck <chuckschneebeli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dave,
>> 
>> Speaking as a contester, I have seen FT8 pretty much ruin VHF contesting.
>> Nobody hardly uses cw/ssb during those events. And, for myself and other
>> contesters (guys who do more than the ILQP), the excitement of high rates
>> and actually tuning the vfo and hunting stations is the whole draw to that
>> part of the sport. In order for the guy who “doesn’t have access” to
>> cw/ssb, there needs to be other stations on FT for him to work. When more
>> stations go to FT instead of cw or ssb, the fewer there are for the serious
>> guys to work at high rates (remember, this attracts us serious guys)…And
>> that will turn to boredom and ultimately them (and me) not participating.
>> 
>> Plus, FT doesn’t allow for the prescribed ILQP county abbreviations for
>> county line stations.
>> 
>> Lets be honest here…how many don’t have access to SSB? One? Two?  Most
>> every rig comes with a mic.
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents and explanation…
>> 
>> 73 Chuck KI9A
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2024, at 12:26 PM, Dave Belville <davebelville at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is a mistake. Maybe FT4 or FT8 will not contribute a lot but by
>>> excluding those modes, you may exclude some operators that, for whatever
>>> reason, only have one of those modes available to them.
>>> I am a CW only operator and do not use the FT4 or FT8 modes but if the
>>> operators that do use it want to go to the trouble of exchanging
>> real-time
>>> info that conforms to ILQP rules, you should allow it. It's part of the
>>> hobby and anyone that enjoys the hobby should be allowed to participate.
>> I
>>> thought I saw an email that said something like, "even a small log is a
>>> log".
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion... for what it's worth.
>>> 
>>> Dave Belville, NI9M
>>> 
>>> “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those
>>> who speak it.”
>>> Author Unknown
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 11:43 AM <n9jfcountyhunter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey troops,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After some discussion with the steering committee, a rules note will be
>>>> added to state that "Due to the complexity of making a valid exchange,
>>>> contacts via FT4 and FT8 will not receive contest credit."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I know we can't make everyone happy with this.  Is it "possible" to
>>>> exchange
>>>> real-time info that conforms to ILQP rules on FT4 or FT8?  Probably yes.
>>>> Do
>>>> I find those modes fascinating?  Yes.  Are they going to contribute
>>>> anything
>>>> useful to the event?  I don't think so.  Spend your time on another
>> digital
>>>> mode, CW or SSB.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Other suggestions as to entry categories are appreciated and considered.
>>>> At
>>>> some point, additional time in processing becomes a factor, and any new
>>>> plaque would require a sponsor.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Carry on.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Jim N9JF
>>>> 
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