[GreenKeys] CRLF or not CRLF?

Sun Jul 30 14:32:32 EDT 2017

Wow, I didn’t really intent to rile things up, just a lowly 33 owner interested in the contest. :)  

I certainly understand, and can appreciate, Jeff A’s distinction that character conversion is not part of the original method, but as Jeff S mentioned, I think the key is the display.  An electronic display (along with all the software tools that go with it) is the modern method with lots of modern capabilities, a paper “display” is the heavy metal version.  Yes, every system has a keyboard, but not all use a totally mechanical method from key press to character display.  Not sure, but I would expect a nearly total mechanical unit (teletype versus IBM selectric) that uses gears, oil, etc to get the characters from/to the operator would be acceptable.  Again, just my opinion and in no way a demand to be included.

With this said, I’m definitely fine with the contest rules including no conversion, I was really just asking for clarification.  I guess I just feel left out even though my keys are as green as everyone else’s!  (joke) 

PJ Bennett

From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Stai
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 12:59 PM
To: David Tumey <davetumey at yahoo.com>
Cc: greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CRLF or not CRLF?

Let's keep our Jeffs straight shall we? :) :)

Let's put one thing to rest: ASCII et al does not happen in the RTTY Roundup, or if it does, it's because some sub group decides to show up there. But I've never seen it. So to say you can do ASCII with your ASCII machine and have fun is a red herring. (Those other modes were listed at the origin of the contest pre-ARRL and no one has bothered to remove them.)

We could also go down a rat hole on input devices. I really don't know how you would differentiate the laptop keyboard I am typing on now from a mechanical TTY: both take the motion of my typing and translate it to electrical impulses. But we all know it when we see it.

I'm going to let everyone weigh in for a while and then try to craft a single paragraph that includes as many machines as possible, and makes it clear that using an electronic display etc. is not in the spirit. 

The goals are to keep it in the spirit, and to maximize the number who can participate, because more participation is more fun, and make for more fun stories Monday morning on how you got it all working. ;)

Carry on! 73 jeff wk6i

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:28 PM, David Tumey <davetumey at yahoo.com <mailto:davetumey at yahoo.com> > wrote:

Jeff,

Why not require that the Terminal Unit you describe use Vacuum Tubes only, no solid state devices, no fancy transistors, etc.

In my mind this all seemed so simple:  You are either using a Teletype to send/receive RTTY or you are not.  I don't see how using a KAM or MFJ (Like I do) or HAL ST-8000A, etc. makes any difference.

--dave

W5DT  

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From: Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net <mailto:jdangus at att.net> >
To: Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff at gmail.com <mailto:wk6i.jeff at gmail.com> > 
Cc: greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] CRLF or not CRLF?

On 7/29/17 1:40 PM, Jeff Stai wrote:
> Nothing is disqualified yet because the rule has not yet been 
> officially written.
> You guys can help with that. ;) I think focussing on the UI (printer 
> and keyboard)
> would be the right direction.
Just my opinion, but if you're going to have a special "machine" only 
category,
then it should mean exactly that.

Radio <-> Terminal Unit <-> Mechanical TTY machine.
And by terminal unit, I mean a modem, no data processing.
Sorry folks, this means no using a Kantronics KAM with a model 33 ASR.

I haven't read the ARRL RTTY Roundup rules lately, so I can't say with 
certainty
that it is limited to 60 WPM Baudot, so folks with a model 33 might be 
able to
participate with ASCII at 110 baud.
<http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Contest%20Rules%20PDFs/2017/2017%20RTTY%20Roundup.pdf>
I just read the rules:
(Baudot RTTY, ASCII, AMTOR, PSK31 and Packet—attended operation only)

I you insist on having "macros" (as they are now referred to) I would 
also assume
these are limited to paper tape, not something like Fldigi running in 
parallel on
the loop.

Oh, and of course, extra point for working machine to machine. ;-)

Jeff

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Jeff-1.0
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