[GreenKeys] CRLF or not CRLF?

Sun Jul 30 14:37:46 EDT 2017

Why not a separate contest for those that have ASCII machines ?

On Jul 30, 2017 11:34 AM, "PJ Bennett" <pj at pjbennett.com> wrote:

> Wow, I didn’t really intent to rile things up, just a lowly 33 owner
> interested in the contest. J
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> I certainly understand, and can appreciate, Jeff A’s distinction that
> character conversion is not part of the original method, but as Jeff S
> mentioned, I think the key is the display.  An electronic display (along
> with all the software tools that go with it) is the modern method with lots
> of modern capabilities, a paper “display” is the heavy metal version.  Yes,
> every system has a keyboard, but not all use a totally mechanical method
> from key press to character display.  Not sure, but I would expect a nearly
> total mechanical unit (teletype versus IBM selectric) that uses gears, oil,
> etc to get the characters from/to the operator would be acceptable.  Again,
> just my opinion and in no way a demand to be included.
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> With this said, I’m definitely fine with the contest rules including no
> conversion, I was really just asking for clarification.  I guess I just
> feel left out even though my keys are as green as everyone else’s!  (joke)
>
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>
> PJ Bennett
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> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:greenkeys-bounces@
> mailman.qth.net] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Stai
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 30, 2017 12:59 PM
> *To:* David Tumey <davetumey at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] CRLF or not CRLF?
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> Let's keep our Jeffs straight shall we? :) :)
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> Let's put one thing to rest: ASCII et al does not happen in the RTTY
> Roundup, or if it does, it's because some sub group decides to show up
> there. But I've never seen it. So to say you can do ASCII with your ASCII
> machine and have fun is a red herring. (Those other modes were listed at
> the origin of the contest pre-ARRL and no one has bothered to remove them.)
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> We could also go down a rat hole on input devices. I really don't know how
> you would differentiate the laptop keyboard I am typing on now from a
> mechanical TTY: both take the motion of my typing and translate it to
> electrical impulses. But we all know it when we see it.
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> I'm going to let everyone weigh in for a while and then try to craft a
> single paragraph that includes as many machines as possible, and makes it
> clear that using an electronic display etc. is not in the spirit.
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> The goals are to keep it in the spirit, and to maximize the number who can
> participate, because more participation is more fun, and make for more fun
> stories Monday morning on how you got it all working. ;)
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> Carry on! 73 jeff wk6i
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> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:28 PM, David Tumey <davetumey at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Jeff,
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> Why not require that the Terminal Unit you describe use Vacuum Tubes only,
> no solid state devices, no fancy transistors, etc.
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> In my mind this all seemed so simple:  You are either using a Teletype to
> send/receive RTTY or you are not.  I don't see how using a KAM or MFJ (Like
> I do) or HAL ST-8000A, etc. makes any difference.
>
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> --dave
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> W5DT
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> *From:* Jeffrey Angus <jdangus at att.net>
> *To:* Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2017 3:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] CRLF or not CRLF?
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> On 7/29/17 1:40 PM, Jeff Stai wrote:
> > Nothing is disqualified yet because the rule has not yet been
> > officially written.
> > You guys can help with that. ;) I think focussing on the UI (printer
> > and keyboard)
> > would be the right direction.
> Just my opinion, but if you're going to have a special "machine" only
> category,
> then it should mean exactly that.
>
> Radio <-> Terminal Unit <-> Mechanical TTY machine.
> And by terminal unit, I mean a modem, no data processing.
> Sorry folks, this means no using a Kantronics KAM with a model 33 ASR.
>
> I haven't read the ARRL RTTY Roundup rules lately, so I can't say with
> certainty
> that it is limited to 60 WPM Baudot, so folks with a model 33 might be
> able to
> participate with ASCII at 110 baud.
> <http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Contest%20Rules%20PDFs/
> 2017/2017%20RTTY%20Roundup.pdf>
> I just read the rules:
> (Baudot RTTY, ASCII, AMTOR, PSK31 and Packet—attended operation only)
>
> I you insist on having "macros" (as they are now referred to) I would
> also assume
> these are limited to paper tape, not something like Fldigi running in
> parallel on
> the loop.
>
> Oh, and of course, extra point for working machine to machine. ;-)
>
> Jeff
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