[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 156, Issue 8
g.blackburn at j-omega-l.com
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Sun Jan 8 21:41:08 EST 2017
Hah! Never saw a "speed key certificate" and was actually an ET, not a qualified RM when I did my stint in the USN. However when the radiomen found out that I was a ham, I ended up on the cw circuit more than once with a Vibroplex that mysteriously appeared out of nowhere. ZUG for now,
Gene, N4UJ (and sometime operator aboard NHNF & NIIZ!)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Early Teletype in the RN (Nick England)
2. : Re: Early Teletype in the principle (Juha Lahtinen)
3. Re: : Re: Early Teletype in the principle (Jim Haynes)
4. Fwd: DEC PDP 8/A (DecSystem 310) (Jones, Douglas W)
5. Re: Model 33 progress (sort of) (Brad)
6. Re: Fwd: Re: Early Teletype in the RN (Duncan Brown)
7. Re: : Re: Early Teletype in the principle (Duncan Brown)
8. Re: Model 33 progress (sort of) (drlegendre .)
9. Re: "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!" (drlegendre .)
10. Re: "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!" (Gil Smith)
11. Re: "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!" (Richard Knoppow)
12. Greenkeys broadcast on Arvada Autostart (Paul Heller)
13. UGC-129 circuit boards wanted (Jim M.)
14. 2017 RTTY RU is HERE! (David Tumey)
15. Re: "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!" (Jim Haynes)
16. Re: "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!" (tony.podrasky)
17. Re: ribbons (Ralph Mowery)
18. Re: ribbons (Jim Haynes)
19. Re: "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!" (Wayne Durkee)
20. 6-Level Tape Availability (Cory Heisterkamp)
21. Re: 6-Level Tape Availability (Cory Heisterkamp)
22. Re: "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!" (drlegendre .)
23. Re: ribbons (Richard Knoppow)
24. Re: ribbons (tony.podrasky)
25. Re: ribbons (Raymond Cote)
26. Re: ribbons (tony.podrasky)
27. Re: ribbons (Raymond Cote)
28. RTTY RU 2017 beat our goal of 209 contacts! (David Tumey)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:41:22 -0500
From: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
To: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
Cc: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>, Greenkeys
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Early Teletype in the RN
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I haven't come across any mention of high-speed Morse use aboard US Navy
ships (just for shore station-to-station traffic). AFAIK all shipboard
Morse send/receive was via earphones and hand key. Qualified speed key
operators could use a bug and higher speed CW circuits but this was still
manual.
http://www.navy-radio.com/ships/images/ship-cw-101a.JPG
Boehme equipment (Wheatstone tape) was also used to transmit the Fleet
Broadcast at around 18 wpm.
The AGC amphibious assault command ships had TTY aboard at least as early
as 1943.
http://www.navy-radio.com/ships/agc/agc4-1943-01.jpg
http://www.navy-radio.com/ships/agc/agc15-02.jpg
Teletype equipment started to be installed in a small number of USN capital
ships in late 1944, early 1945, but as folks have pointed out, standard M15
printers didn't work too well in shipboard pitch and roll. The TT-49/UG was
a modified M15 "with aluminum side frames, a new carriage return assembly,
and lighter weight carriage parts. As a result of these modifications, they
operate satisfactorily while tilted as much as 45 degrees." Scroll about
1/3 way down on this page to see photos -
http://www.navy-radio.com/tty.htm
The big USN RATT conversion came with M28 gear, of course. The US Navy
bought the first 5000 or so of these. Not only did teletype eliminate
manual Morse transcription, it enabled on-line crypto which made a huge
difference in message processing.
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2017, John Nagle wrote:
>
>> Teletypes on shipboard didn't really catch on
>> until about WWII. There's a "battleship version" of
>>
>
> And even then...I had a friend, now deceased, who was a radio operator
> (Morse) on a battleship in WW-II. I asked him if they had Teletypes
> and he told me they did not. I didn't ask him about high speed Morse.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:13:28 +0000
From: Juha Lahtinen <Juha.Lahtinen at beneq.com>
To: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>, Green Keys
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] : Re: Early Teletype in the principle
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Hello
Was the idea same as nipkow television.?
Both type wheels go around in same phase .
Best Regards. juha
L?hetetty Windows Phonesta
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L?hett?j?: Duncan Brown<mailto:duncanancy at earthlink.net>
L?hetetty: ?5.?1.?2017 20:43
Vastaanottaja: Green Keys<mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Aihe: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Early Teletype in the RN
The picture of the "Teletype" scroll logo apparently got stripped out of
the text. I've enclosed it as an attachment this time.
Duncan
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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Early Teletype in the RN
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:27:21 -0500
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Morkrum was using the "Teletype" scroll logo on the M11 in the early 1920s:
The Morkrum-Kleinschmidt Co. was formed on 29 Dec 1924 and continued
using the Teletype scroll logo. The M-K name was shortened to Teletype
Corp. in late 1928.
Enclosed is an ad from Railway Magazine of 6 Oct 1928, that shows the
Teletype scroll logo at the top and the M-K name at the bottom.
For those interested in more details of RTTY history, see Jim Haynes'
"Historical Notes on Radioteletype" at
http://www.smecc.org/rtty_ratt_radio_teletype.htm
have fun,
Duncan
K2OEQ
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:13:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
To: Juha Lahtinen <Juha.Lahtinen at beneq.com>
Cc: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>, Green Keys
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] : Re: Early Teletype in the principle
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I'm not sure if I'm replying to the right question, but there is a major
difference. Prior to Morkrum printing telegraphy (starting with Baudot)
depended on keeping wheels in synchronism at the sending and receiving
ends of the circuit. That was hard. Howard Krum's breakthrough invention
was to stop the wheels at the end of each character and start them at the
beginning of the next, hence called start-stop synchronization. Then the
wheels had to stay in synchronism only for the duration of one character.
That required only that motor speeds at both ends be almost the same, not
precisely the same. This resulted in a small waste of line time because
of the start and stop pulses that were added to the five pulses of the
character. But in situations where a single-channel printing telegraph
was wanted the extra bandwidth to handle the extra pulses was rarely a
problem.
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, Juha Lahtinen wrote:
> Hello
> Was the idea same as nipkow television.?
> Both type wheels go around in same phase .
> Best Regards. juha
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 20:15:00 +0000
From: "Jones, Douglas W" <douglas-w-jones at uiowa.edu>
To: PDP8-Lovers <PDP8-Lovers at dbit.com>, GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "Dimaria, Joseph" <Joseph.Dimaria at mwra.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: DEC PDP 8/A (DecSystem 310)
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Begin forwarded message:
From: "Dimaria, Joseph" <Joseph.Dimaria at mwra.com<mailto:Joseph.Dimaria at mwra.com>>
Date: January 6, 2017 1:09:31 PM CST
To: "'jones at cs.uiowa.edu<mailto:'jones at cs.uiowa.edu>'" <jones at cs.uiowa.edu<mailto:jones at cs.uiowa.edu>>
Subject: DEC PDP 8omputer
I have a DEC PDP8 in running condition. It has programs for estimating the cost of greeting cards. Do you know of anyone who would like this dinosaur?
He sent me a photo that shows the DecSystem 310 with two RX02 drives (black front, a total of 4 floppy disks worth). The DecSystem 310 format involves mounting the PDP-8/A in a desk with floppies and on-off switch facing the front and the rest hidden behind. The desk looks to be in good shape (although it's piled with junk in the photo he sent). His e-mail address at mwra.com<http://mwra.com> (Massachusetts Water Resources Authority) suggests that this machine is likely in the Boston area.
Please reply to him, not to me.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:22:31 -0800
From: "Brad" <unclefalter at yahoo.ca>
To: "'David Tumey'" <davetumey at yahoo.com>
Cc: "'GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD'" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
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Thanks Dave! Will try that.
A detail I forgot to mention but did to Wayne privately is that you don?t have to operate the machine at all for it to go nuts. Simply plugging it in and leaving it on ?Off? for 30 min is enough to cause it to start going all gibberish immediately when you power on. So I do think I must have some kind of cap problem there. But that one key.. I mean maybe that could be the cap, maybe not. Odd that only that and I think one other key have problems. Anyway, I?ll try what you suggested and see what comes of it. Many thanks!
From: David Tumey [mailto:davetumey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 3:20 PM
To: Brad <unclefalter at yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
excellent.
A can of spray coolant, or easier yet, a can of air (keyboard duster) turned upside down, can be used to troubleshoot your problem.
When the machine starts acting up, you spray some suspect components with the coolant and see if it fixes itself. If it does, the culprit may be the sprayed part.
Also, you could benefit from an oscilliscope - take a look across the caps and monitor the ripple to see if it gets worse as the machine warms up.
--dave
_____
From: Brad <unclefalter at yahoo.ca <mailto:unclefalter at yahoo.ca> >
To: 'David Tumey' <davetumey at yahoo.com <mailto:davetumey at yahoo.com> >
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
Yes I gave it a real good clean. It actually wasn?t that bad to begin with. One of the few areas of this thing that wasn?t completely covered in grime.
From: David Tumey [mailto:davetumey at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 5:46 AM
To: Brad <unclefalter at yahoo.ca <mailto:unclefalter at yahoo.ca> >
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
Brad,
I am assuming you thoroughly cleaned that relay in the rear section of the UCC-6. Lots of signals are routed through her contacts.
--dave
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From: Brad via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
To: 'GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD' <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> >
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:44 AM
Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
I guess I was kidding myself about having time during holidays, but tonight I finally did the 20ma wiring change on my 33. I continue to be frustrated by an L coming up most of the time as an H. I?ve really cleaned the key contacts as much as I think I can. And the L is coming out more often than before, but still not there. So tomorrow or on the weekend I hope to finally test this thing with an actual computer and see where my problem is.
I?m also dogged by an issue where after about 30 minutes, the typing becomes jibberish. I?m sure this must be a cap, but I?ve tested every cap even when it?s going wrong and unless I?m doing something wrong, they all come back ok. Ditto for resistors. I?m thinking this must be one of the big caps given the time it takes for a problem to materialize. I can?t see anything else that could overheat slowly like that or start putting out the wrong voltages. I have the 1500uf cap Wayne was kind enough to give me which made a massive improvement in operation (prior to changing that, the machine buzzed loudly and mostly produced garbage when typing). But it is second hand, so it?s possible maybe it has issues I?m not diagnosing. There are also two, I think, new old stock (or new) 250uf caps I got off ebay. I?ve tried swapping them around but the problem still crops up around the same time.
Anyway, looking forward to testing her out tomorrow, if I can figure out how to wire it up to my SWTPC.. which is my other question.. where are the wires for the connection to whatever you?re connecting to coming from? I do have a two wire (black and red) pair coming from Connector 2?
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 20:26:07 -0500
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: Juha Lahtinen <Juha.Lahtinen at beneq.com>, Green Keys
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Early Teletype in the RN
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Juha,
Yes, that was one of your Morkrum Model 11s that I attached to show the
Teletype scroll logo.
The M11 was first manufactured in 1921. In December 1924, Morkrum merged
with the Kleinschmidt Electric Company. So your M11 machines with that
say "Morkrum" on them would have been made between 1921 and 1924.
Duncan
K2OEQ
On 06-Jan-17 09:00, Juha Lahtinen wrote:
> interesting Blue Print !
> If that was mine telex I think serial number is 256 what year then it is?
>
>
> Now I think I will sell the other one what serial number is 233 this number is paint in side.
> you can look last picture
> of course if someone is interested I can take offers 10 days from now.
> If the price sound good lets make deal.
> I am sorry I do not know if this is right in this site
> time to time I travel to usa so I am not leaving so far.
> I do not want load this forum so please use my privat Email address.
> you can Email offer glimsradio at gmail.com
>
> I am sorry If this is not right to do in this forum.
>
> Best Regards Juha Lahtinen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GreenKeys [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Brown
> Sent: 5. tammikuuta 2017 20:43
> To: Green Keys
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Early Teletype in the RN
>
> The picture of the "Teletype" scroll logo apparently got stripped out of the text. I've enclosed it as an attachment this time.
>
> Duncan
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Early Teletype in the RN
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:27:21 -0500
> From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>
>
> Morkrum was using the "Teletype" scroll logo on the M11 in the early 1920s:
>
>
>
> The Morkrum-Kleinschmidt Co. was formed on 29 Dec 1924 and continued using the Teletype scroll logo. The M-K name was shortened to Teletype Corp. in late 1928.
>
> Enclosed is an ad from Railway Magazine of 6 Oct 1928, that shows the Teletype scroll logo at the top and the M-K name at the bottom.
>
>
> For those interested in more details of RTTY history, see Jim Haynes'
> "Historical Notes on Radioteletype" at
> http://www.smecc.org/rtty_ratt_radio_teletype.htm
>
> have fun,
>
> Duncan
> K2OEQ
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:01:58 -0500
From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: Juha Lahtinen <Juha.Lahtinen at beneq.com>, Green Keys
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] : Re: Early Teletype in the principle
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On 06-Jan-17 11:13, Juha Lahtinen wrote:
> Was the idea same as nipkow television.?
> Both type wheels go around in same phase .
Juha,
The very early (1850-1880) and very simple machines operated this way,
but were slow and had problems with staying in synchronization.
In 1880, Emil Baudot came up with the idea of using a 5-bit code to
represent the alphabet and thus produced the first truly digital
communications system. But Baudot's system was synchronous also and
continued to have problems staying in sync.
As Jim said, it was Howard Krum of the Morkrum Company that came up with
the stop-start system that essentially synchronizes the machines on the
start of each character. Almost all teletypewriters designed since the
mid 1920s have used this principle.
Have fun,
Duncan
K2OEQ
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 20:44:27 -0600
From: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com>
To: Brad <unclefalter at yahoo.ca>
Cc: David Tumey <davetumey at yahoo.com>, GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
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"So tomorrow or on the weekend I hope to finally test this thing with an
actual computer and see where my problem is."
Heh, you still haven't tried this, eh? You really are a glutton for
punishment.. cleaning away on the key contacts to cure a fault that might
just as well be in the TU. ;-)
As for the hot fault (gibberish) have you considered hooking up a scope to
view the PS output waveforms? Ultimately, this will tell you if your
problem is (or is not) in the filter caps. Start the unit up cold, and
while it's working well, view & measure ripple and DC output (avg.) on all
of the supplies. Then let it run until it acts up.
Then once it begins to show the fault, re-do all of the checks and see
what, if anything, has changed. If you have a dying cap, you're definitely
going to see notably increased ripple and/or reduced DC voltage.
(This is mostly a mechanical system, so the typical / allowable ripple
might be a bit higher than you'd see in audio or digital gear, but if it
increases notably with temp - that's a problem).
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Brad via GreenKeys <
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> Thanks Dave! Will try that.
>
>
>
> A detail I forgot to mention but did to Wayne privately is that you don?t
> have to operate the machine at all for it to go nuts. Simply plugging it
> in and leaving it on ?Off? for 30 min is enough to cause it to start going
> all gibberish immediately when you power on. So I do think I must have
> some kind of cap problem there. But that one key.. I mean maybe that could
> be the cap, maybe not. Odd that only that and I think one other key have
> problems. Anyway, I?ll try what you suggested and see what comes of it.
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> *From:* David Tumey [mailto:davetumey at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 3:20 PM
> *To:* Brad <unclefalter at yahoo.ca>
> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
>
>
>
> excellent.
>
>
>
> A can of spray coolant, or easier yet, a can of air (keyboard duster)
> turned upside down, can be used to troubleshoot your problem.
>
>
>
> When the machine starts acting up, you spray some suspect components with
> the coolant and see if it fixes itself. If it does, the culprit may be the
> sprayed part.
>
>
>
> Also, you could benefit from an oscilliscope - take a look across the caps
> and monitor the ripple to see if it gets worse as the machine warms up.
>
>
>
> --dave
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Brad <unclefalter at yahoo.ca>
> *To:* 'David Tumey' <davetumey at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 1:26 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
>
>
>
> Yes I gave it a real good clean. It actually wasn?t that bad to begin
> with. One of the few areas of this thing that wasn?t completely covered in
> grime.
>
>
>
> *From:* David Tumey [mailto:davetumey at yahoo.com <davetumey at yahoo.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 5:46 AM
> *To:* Brad <unclefalter at yahoo.ca>
> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
>
>
>
> Brad,
>
>
>
> I am assuming you thoroughly cleaned that relay in the rear section of the
> UCC-6. Lots of signals are routed through her contacts.
>
>
>
> --dave
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Brad via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *To:* 'GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD' <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:44 AM
> *Subject:* [GreenKeys] Model 33 progress (sort of)
>
>
>
> I guess I was kidding myself about having time during holidays, but
> tonight I finally did the 20ma wiring change on my 33. I continue to be
> frustrated by an L coming up most of the time as an H. I?ve really cleaned
> the key contacts as much as I think I can. And the L is coming out more
> often than before, but still not there. So tomorrow or on the weekend I
> hope to finally test this thing with an actual computer and see where my
> problem is.
>
>
>
> I?m also dogged by an issue where after about 30 minutes, the typing
> becomes jibberish. I?m sure this must be a cap, but I?ve tested every cap
> even when it?s going wrong and unless I?m doing something wrong, they all
> come back ok. Ditto for resistors. I?m thinking this must be one of the
> big caps given the time it takes for a problem to materialize. I can?t see
> anything else that could overheat slowly like that or start putting out the
> wrong voltages. I have the 1500uf cap Wayne was kind enough to give me
> which made a massive improvement in operation (prior to changing that, the
> machine buzzed loudly and mostly produced garbage when typing). But it is
> second hand, so it?s possible maybe it has issues I?m not diagnosing.
> There are also two, I think, new old stock (or new) 250uf caps I got off
> ebay. I?ve tried swapping them around but the problem still crops up
> around the same time.
>
>
>
> Anyway, looking forward to testing her out tomorrow, if I can figure out
> how to wire it up to my SWTPC.. which is my other question.. where are the
> wires for the connection to whatever you?re connecting to coming from? I
> do have a two wire (black and red) pair coming from Connector 2?
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:13:14 -0600
From: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com>
To: Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net>
Cc: Wayne Durkee <teletypeparts at comcast.net>, aaa-greenkeys
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
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Err.. it's set in 1941, and the TTY ribbon is wound on plastic spools?
Did I see that correctly? Were plastic spools in use that early?
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net> wrote:
> Hey folks:
>
> Well thanks to those who watched. The air time we got was a bit
> disappointing -- I didn't much care if I got on but it would have been nice
> if they got a split-second of my wife's face to help offset a
> several-thousand-dollar trip to NYC. Ahh well; I am used to being
> disappointed by this time in life. Was fun, but I wouldn't do it again.
> At least my machine came back in good shape. There is no point in grabbing
> any video, but a few screen-grabs:
>
> 001 - the M15 printing a custom message
> 007 - they cut off my wife's head, my my gray head in background
> 024 - me as cop #5 on the right
> 028 - the side of my wife's face at the tty
> 044 and 048 - my wife at the tty
> and also a screen shot from a segment they did not use
>
> thx, gil
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
> From: Wayne Durkee <teletypeparts at comcast.net>
> Date: Wed, January 04, 2017 9:37 am
> To: aaa-greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>, Gil Smith
> <gil at baudot.net>
>
> Gil,
>
> My wife and I watched. Saw plenty of the 15 but of course not sure of you
> or you wife.
>
> It was an interesting program as well.
>
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
>
> On January 1, 2017 at 3:56 PM Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net> wrote:
>
> Hey folks:
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Just in case any of you are interested, I just found out that the TV show
> my wife and I were taping in New York last July will premiere next Tuesday:
>
> A Crime To Remember -- The Gentleman Killer
> 7pm MST, Tues, Jan 3
> Investigation Discovery Channel
> Directv: ch-285, Dish: ch-192, Cox: ch-104, Centurylink: ch-261/1261
>
>
> This was all due to the show wanting to rent one of my tty machines for a
> show re-creating a 1941 murder.
>
> My wife loves that show, and watches that channel literally every day. I
> told the show folks that I could make the machine happen for them if they
> put my wife on the show. I was really only joking, but the producer said:
> "Sure, she can play the police secretary." I almost pooped my pants. I
> said to my wife, "Hey honey, interested in maybe being on ID for a couple
> of seconds?"
>
> So we went to NYC for a few days, and went to the taping. When we walked
> in, they said: "We also need another cop, and would you play him? It pays
> $75 bucks." Sure, I said.
>
> I really don't think I will be seen on TV except maybe seeing my gun belt
> as I walk past the detective's desk, but hopefully the police secretary
> gets a couple of seconds of air time. My TTY certainly should.
>
> This is my favorite M15, which I got probably fifteen years ago from Tom
> Kleinschmidt. I have had other M15s since, including one I refurbed for
> the local Batcave, but this one is special. I made a little clip of it for
> my non-tty friends who wonder what the heck I am talking about:
>
> https://youtu.be/9bapH4IGJ7I
>
> Now to see whether we actually gets a few seconds on camera or not.
>
> gil
>
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:25:40 -0700
From: "Gil Smith" <gil at baudot.net>
To: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com>
Cc: "Wayne Durkee" <teletypeparts at comcast.net>, "aaa-greenkeys"
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:34:15 -0800
From: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
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If you want to worry about small details in movie props you will
never rest. Things from the wrong date, etc. Bothers me when people talk
into the wrong end of a microphone.
As far as ribbons go, did Teletype use cotton ribbons? The longer
lived and better printing ones were silk until nylon replaced it. You
can still get all three. I recently got a couple of cotton ribbons, they
print a lot darker than the nylon ones but are not as sharp. Metal
ribbon spools are getting to be short supply. AFAIK Teletype machines
use standard Underwood ribbons, which also fit a lot of typewriters but
some typewriters take special spools such as the Royal which as a lever
on the bottom to operate the automatic ribbon reverse and old Remington
machines which have the ribbon on a core type spool. When you have one
of these you wind new ribbon on the old spools and keep using them.
On 1/6/2017 8:25 PM, Gil Smith wrote:
> Well, no -- good catch. The spool/nylon-ribbon is from Staples, for the
> Okidata printer which still keeps the compatible ribbon a current
> product, thank goodness.
>
> If I had thought about that I would have spooled the nylon ribbon onto
> old metals reels (or even tried to ink an old cotton ribbon) but I
> really didn't think they would zoom in that close. Nor did I really
> have any extra time to do anything but build a crate and arrange
> shipping. It all happenened pretty fast.
>
> gil
>
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
> From: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com
> <mailto:drlegendre at gmail.com>>
> Date: Fri, January 06, 2017 9:13 pm
> To: Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>>
> Cc: Wayne Durkee <teletypeparts at comcast.net
> <mailto:teletypeparts at comcast.net>>, aaa-greenkeys
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
>
> Err.. it's set in 1941, and the TTY ribbon is wound on plastic spools?
>
> Did I see that correctly? Were plastic spools in use that early?
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net
> <mailto:gil at baudot.net>> wrote:
>
> Hey folks:
>
> Well thanks to those who watched. The air time we got was a bit
> disappointing -- I didn't much care if I got on but it would
> have been nice if they got a split-second of my wife's face to
> help offset a several-thousand-dollar trip to NYC. Ahh well; I
> am used to being disappointed by this time in life. Was fun,
> but I wouldn't do it again. At least my machine came back in
> good shape. There is no point in grabbing any video, but a few
> screen-grabs:
>
> 001 - the M15 printing a custom message
> 007 - they cut off my wife's head, my my gray head in background
> 024 - me as cop #5 on the right
> 028 - the side of my wife's face at the tty
> 044 and 048 - my wife at the tty
> and also a screen shot from a segment they did not use
>
> thx, gil
>
> gil smith, AF7EZ
> greenkeys moderator
> gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
> From: Wayne Durkee <teletypeparts at comcast.net
> <mailto:teletypeparts at comcast.net>>
> Date: Wed, January 04, 2017 9:37 am
> To: aaa-greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>, Gil Smith
> <gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>>
>
> Gil,
>
> My wife and I watched. Saw plenty of the 15 but of course
> not sure of you or you wife.
>
> It was an interesting program as well.
>
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
>
>> On January 1, 2017 at 3:56 PM Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net
>> <mailto:gil at baudot.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks:
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> Just in case any of you are interested, I just found out
>> that the TV show my wife and I were taping in New York
>> last July will premiere next Tuesday:
>>
>> A Crime To Remember -- The Gentleman Killer
>> 7pm MST, Tues, Jan 3
>> Investigation Discovery Channel
>> Directv: ch-285, Dish: ch-192, Cox: ch-104,
>> Centurylink: ch-261/1261
>>
>>
>> This was all due to the show wanting to rent one of my tty
>> machines for a show re-creating a 1941 murder.
>>
>> My wife loves that show, and watches that channel
>> literally every day. I told the show folks that I could
>> make the machine happen for them if they put my wife on
>> the show. I was really only joking, but the producer
>> said: "Sure, she can play the police secretary." I almost
>> pooped my pants. I said to my wife, "Hey honey,
>> interested in maybe being on ID for a couple of seconds?"
>>
>> So we went to NYC for a few days, and went to the taping.
>> When we walked in, they said: "We also need another cop,
>> and would you play him? It pays $75 bucks." Sure, I said.
>>
>> I really don't think I will be seen on TV except maybe
>> seeing my gun belt as I walk past the detective's desk,
>> but hopefully the police secretary gets a couple of
>> seconds of air time. My TTY certainly should.
>>
>> This is my favorite M15, which I got probably fifteen
>> years ago from Tom Kleinschmidt. I have had other M15s
>> since, including one I refurbed for the local Batcave, but
>> this one is special. I made a little clip of it for my
>> non-tty friends who wonder what the heck I am talking about:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/9bapH4IGJ7I
>>
>> Now to see whether we actually gets a few seconds on
>> camera or not.
>>
>> gil
>>
>>
>> gil smith, AF7EZ
>> greenkeys moderator
>> gil at baudot.net <mailto:gil at baudot.net>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:21:54 -0700
From: Paul Heller <paul0926 at comcast.net>
To: Greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys broadcast on Arvada Autostart
Message-ID: <2740BF1C-3505-447A-AFE2-AD13642D9C17 at comcast.net>
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I?m just having a bit of fun and keeping my coding skills sharp.
I?ve written a feeder on the Arvada ITTY Autostart channel that prints out the Greenkeys feeds. It ignores the footers and also any quoted text. Lots of challenges with this one: interfacing to the email servers (both POP and SMTP), handling different encodings - both content types and character sets (the emails from Juha have been especially timely because they are encoded differently to handle the local language!!), dealing with HTML formatted mails, learning all about MIME and Multipart messages and how to handle them, translating those to ascii, wrapping the text at 72 characters, struggling to figure out how Python 3 deals with strings and bytes ? and a bunch more fun stuff.
Fun? Well at least it kept me up late several nights and out of trouble.
I?ll let it run for a while. I suppose there will be problems. One thing I did not tackle was the fact that some of you write in short lines, but not less than the 72 character limit of ITTY. So if you write in 80 character lines, they get wrapped at 72 characters and it looks kind of funny because you have a longer line and a short leftover, long then short, etc
Not too many people listen to my autostart channel - they pretty much stay on George?s feeds. That?s ok. But this option is out there if anybody wants to try it.
Status of ITTY in Arvada: Tom is feeding daily mail to ITTY, and has a ?news of the day? broadcast on the autostart channel at various times throughout the day. But the Arvada feed remains a secondary service; the primary service remains in Sequim. If anyone wants, I can also broadcast it over there (with George?s permission).
We?ll consider it an experiment for now. Maybe in a week or two it might be declared a terrible idea. But it was a fun project.
Paul
W2TTY
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:32:37 -0500
From: "Jim M." <n4be_jim at yahoo.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] UGC-129 circuit boards wanted
Message-ID: <21BEE0E4-46A7-4EC7-BE4C-A5FDDD0A01CD at yahoo.com>
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Greetings and happy new year. Looking for circuit boards for the Tracor AN/UGC-129 teleprinter. Got two machines here from Larry and need boards to help me debug them. One machine is the "newer" V1 version where the display screen doesn't work. I suspect the A12 KBD I/O board.
Thanks,
Jim N4BE
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:47:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: David Tumey <davetumey at yahoo.com>
To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] 2017 RTTY RU is HERE!
Message-ID: <866040431.173545.1483800420706 at mail.yahoo.com>
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<Moderator, I forgot to compress the photos on the first send, please delete that email>
We are just a few hours away from the start of the 2017 RU.
I have included 2x photos of the 2017 station. ?This year we are operating true FSK and we added the Alpha for a little pick-me-up.
Everything is ready, except for one minor detail - unfortunately due to time constraints this week, I was unable to actually test the setup...but I figure, what could go wrong?
We will be mostly working 20m this year, so hope to read you on the band.
GL & 73's--daveW5DT
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:40:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
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I believe Teletype originally used cotton ribbons, because they hold
the most ink and that's what the users wanted. I believe the nylon
ribbons were recommended for the later machines which needed more
durable ribbons. The Model 15 parts book shows 7835 ribbon, black.
Model 32/33 uses 181129 ribbon, but doesn't say if it is nylon or
cotton. Then the press associations and W.U. had their own choices of
ribbons, sometimes using purple instead of black.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:05:38 -0800
From: "tony.podrasky" <tony.podrasky at gmail.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
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GM OMs;
I started playing with Teletype machines around 1968.
I don't recall there being nylon ribbons - at least when I
went to the stationery store to get Underwood ribbons, that's
the only way they came.
I played with several colors: black, purple, blue, and green.
I *LOVED* using a green pen in high school, but lemme tell you:
after going though a box of green ribbons, I NEVER wanted to see
green ink again! :-)
UE,
K2EAA - TONY
NNNN
ZCZC
On 01/07/2017 07:40 AM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> I believe Teletype originally used cotton ribbons, because they hold
> the most ink and that's what the users wanted. I believe the nylon
> ribbons were recommended for the later machines which needed more
> durable ribbons.
--
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action and reaction and the need to have something
better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems
to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high
schools. -New York Times editorial, 1921
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:28:12 -0500
From: "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146 at earthlink.net>
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ribbons
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I found a box of ribbons that has on it nylon ribbons for the 14,15,19, and
another that I can not make out that may be 28.
It is dated in 1972. The spools are metal. There was a dozen in the box.
Then each ribbon was in a cardboard box wrapped in cellophane.
Probably bought them over 35 years ago at a hamfest.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GreenKeys [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> tony.podrasky
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 11:06 AM
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
>
> GM OMs;
>
> I started playing with Teletype machines around 1968.
>
> I don't recall there being nylon ribbons - at least when I went to the
> stationery store to get Underwood ribbons, that's the only way they
> came.
>
> I played with several colors: black, purple, blue, and green.
>
> I *LOVED* using a green pen in high school, but lemme tell you:
> after going though a box of green ribbons, I NEVER wanted to see green
> ink again! :-)
>
> UE,
> K2EAA - TONY
> NNNN
> ZCZC
>
> On 01/07/2017 07:40 AM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> > I believe Teletype originally used cotton ribbons, because they hold
> > the most ink and that's what the users wanted. I believe the nylon
> > ribbons were recommended for the later machines which needed more
> > durable ribbons.
>
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:56:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
To: Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146 at earthlink.net>
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ribbons
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Yeah, I think after nylon ribbons became available the customer got to
choose between cotton for holding lots of ink and nylon for durability
but running out of ink prematurely. It was probably only hams who would
spend time re-inking ribbons rather than just replacing them. Well there
was the military with third-party ribbon re-inker attachments. I don't
think anybody else tried to use them.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 12:26:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Wayne Durkee <teletypeparts at comcast.net>
To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>, Jim Haynes
<jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
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At Western Union they were all black COTTON ribbons. B-72 Nukote's I think.
There were some purple ones used in stock tickers. I used to come home with blue fingers till I got better at the work. The tickers had a inking attachment to keep the print dark. A total pain to work on.
Wayne
KB1FDW
> On January 7, 2017 at 10:40 AM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I believe Teletype originally used cotton ribbons, because they hold
> the most ink and that's what the users wanted. I believe the nylon
> ribbons were recommended for the later machines which needed more
> durable ribbons. The Model 15 parts book shows 7835 ribbon, black.
> Model 32/33 uses 181129 ribbon, but doesn't say if it is nylon or
> cotton. Then the press associations and W.U. had their own choices of
> ribbons, sometimes using purple instead of black.
>
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:43:36 -0600
From: Cory Heisterkamp <coryheisterkamp at gmail.com>
To: Greenkeys BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] 6-Level Tape Availability
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Evening gents,
Slightly OT, but if anyone would know, it'd be you guys. I've got a Flexowriter I'm trying to bring back to life and the big question is, what width paper tape is correct. It's a 6-level machine and the gates are set up for a max tape width of 0.86". If anyone knows what stock width this correspond to, or if stock is still available, I'd be much appreciative.
Somebody loaded it with 5-level TTY tape which might look okay for display purposes but obviously doesn't work.
Thanks,
Cory
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:19:00 -0600
From: Cory Heisterkamp <coryheisterkamp at gmail.com>
To: Gary Oliver <go at wa7shi.us>, Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 6-Level Tape Availability
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I bet you guys are spot on at 7/8, obvious in retrospect ; )
Thanks for the lead! -C
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Gary Oliver <go at wa7shi.us> wrote:
>
> That's probably 7/8 inch (.875) tape suitable for 7 channels.
>
> There's a box of said tape currently for sale on the famous auction site:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Case-Lot-of-8-Rolls-of-7-8-inch-Teletype-Paper-Tape-Pink-Perforator-NOS-/142237445471
>
> Not mine - just noticed when searching for 1 inch tape a short while ago.
>
> -Gary
>
>> Evening gents,
>>
>> Slightly OT, but if anyone would know, it'd be you guys. I've got a Flexowriter I'm trying to bring back to life and the big question is, what width paper tape is correct. It's a 6-level machine and the gates are set up for a max tape width of 0.86". If anyone knows what stock width this correspond to, or if stock is still available, I'd be much appreciative.
>>
>> Somebody loaded it with 5-level TTY tape which might look okay for display purposes but obviously doesn't work.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cory
>> ______________________________________________________________
>>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:38:06 -0600
From: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com>
To: Wayne Durkee <teletypeparts at comcast.net>
Cc: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>, Jim Haynes
<jhhaynes at earthlink.net>, Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] "I'm not a cop, but I play one on TV!"
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" If you want to worry about small details in movie props you will never
rest."
Oh, without a doubt.. we should be happy it wasn't an Epson MX-80 (with a
Taiwanese ribbon from eBay).
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Wayne Durkee <teletypeparts at comcast.net>
wrote:
> At Western Union they were all black COTTON ribbons. B-72 Nukote's I
> think.
>
> There were some purple ones used in stock tickers. I used to come home
> with blue fingers till I got better at the work. The tickers had a inking
> attachment to keep the print dark. A total pain to work on.
>
> Wayne
> KB1FDW
>
> > On January 7, 2017 at 10:40 AM Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe Teletype originally used cotton ribbons, because they hold
> > the most ink and that's what the users wanted. I believe the nylon
> > ribbons were recommended for the later machines which needed more
> > durable ribbons. The Model 15 parts book shows 7835 ribbon, black.
> > Model 32/33 uses 181129 ribbon, but doesn't say if it is nylon or
> > cotton. Then the press associations and W.U. had their own choices of
> > ribbons, sometimes using purple instead of black.
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:09:57 -0800
From: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ribbons
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I don't have a citation but very long ago ribbons were available in
different darknesses. I think this was both cotton and silk. There has
been some discussion on the typewriter collector's lists about re-inking
ribbons. It can be done with the ink sold for re-inking rubber stamp
pads. Sounds messy to me. If you want dark ribbons try Baco.
Its been so long since I've seen a genuine telegram that I don't
remember what the ink looked like.
On 1/7/2017 8:56 AM, Jim Haynes wrote:
> Yeah, I think after nylon ribbons became available the customer got to
> choose between cotton for holding lots of ink and nylon for durability
> but running out of ink prematurely. It was probably only hams who would
> spend time re-inking ribbons rather than just replacing them. Well there
> was the military with third-party ribbon re-inker attachments. I don't
> think anybody else tried to use them.
>
--
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 06:26:15 -0800
From: "tony.podrasky" <tony.podrasky at gmail.com>
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ribbons
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GM OMs;
I have been using a re-inker in my 28-KSR for years.
I'll take a few pictures of it (tomorrow?) and post them.
If you use rubber gloves and are careful, the mess-factor is zero.
The ink I've been using is REALLY THICK and gooey.
UE,
K2EAA - TONY
NNNN
ZCZC
> There has
> been some discussion on the typewriter collector's lists about re-inking
> ribbons. It can be done with the ink sold for re-inking rubber stamp
> pads. Sounds messy to me.
--
Excerpt from PODRASKY'S DICTIONARY of
"What They REALLY MEAN When They Say".
The definition of the term "IN THEORY":
Noun (scientific/technical talk): "Not Really".
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:34:17 +0000
From: Raymond Cote <bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com>
To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ribbons
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I use to re-ink all my spools of tty ribbon. I have done hundreds as we used tty for ship to shore comm for copy at leads 4 hours a day. Plus i used the same re-inker for my dit matrix printers onboard ship and at my office at the Univ of Hawaii. I dont know why that system went belly up. It might have to do with the demise of dot matrix printers. Ya think?
Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.
-Mark Twain
On Jan 7, 2017, at 21:10, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com<mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:
I don't have a citation but very long ago ribbons were available in different darknesses. I think this was both cotton and silk. There has been some discussion on the typewriter collector's lists about re-inking ribbons. It can be done with the ink sold for re-inking rubber stamp pads. Sounds messy to me. If you want dark ribbons try Baco.
Its been so long since I've seen a genuine telegram that I don't remember what the ink looked like.
On 1/7/2017 8:56 AM, Jim Haynes wrote:
Yeah, I think after nylon ribbons became available the customer got to
choose between cotton for holding lots of ink and nylon for durability
but running out of ink prematurely. It was probably only hams who would
spend time re-inking ribbons rather than just replacing them. Well there
was the military with third-party ribbon re-inker attachments. I don't
think anybody else tried to use them.
--
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com<mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
WB6KBL
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Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 06:49:33 -0800
From: "tony.podrasky" <tony.podrasky at gmail.com>
To: Raymond Cote <bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com>, Richard Knoppow
<1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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GM Raymond & Co.;
I say because of the *"Instant Gratification -vs- Heathkit"* Effect.
Although money could be saved by inking your own ribbons,
it required "some work" on the part of the person.
In this "throw-away" society, people want everything instantly - and
would rather spend the extra money to save a little bit of time and effort.
Me, and my Ham Radio buddies, didn't just buy Heathkits because they were
cheaper than factory-built equipment - we bought them because we enjoyed
putting them together - and, to some degree, getting a better
understanding of how things work.
I haven't tried explaining that concept to people today...
UE,
K2EAA - TONY
NNNN
ZCZC
On 01/08/2017 06:34 AM, Raymond Cote wrote:
> I dont know why that system went belly
> up. It might have to do with the demise of dot matrix printers. Ya think?
>
--
ALCOHOL
Because no great story ever began with the words:
"Hold My Salad... Hey, Y'all - Watch THIS!"
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 00:06:50 +0000
From: Raymond Cote <bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com>
To: tony.podrasky <tony.podrasky at gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>,
"greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ribbons
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Yes Tony. Ditto here. Gotta have hands-on
Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.
-Mark Twain
On Jan 8, 2017, at 08:49, tony.podrasky <tony.podrasky at gmail.com<mailto:tony.podrasky at gmail.com>> wrote:
GM Raymond & Co.;
I say because of the *"Instant Gratification -vs- Heathkit"* Effect.
Although money could be saved by inking your own ribbons,
it required "some work" on the part of the person.
In this "throw-away" society, people want everything instantly - and
would rather spend the extra money to save a little bit of time and effort.
Me, and my Ham Radio buddies, didn't just buy Heathkits because they were
cheaper than factory-built equipment - we bought them because we enjoyed
putting them together - and, to some degree, getting a better
understanding of how things work.
I haven't tried explaining that concept to people today...
UE,
K2EAA - TONY
NNNN
ZCZC
On 01/08/2017 06:34 AM, Raymond Cote wrote:
I dont know why that system went belly
up. It might have to do with the demise of dot matrix printers. Ya think?
--
ALCOHOL
Because no great story ever began with the words:
"Hold My Salad... Hey, Y'all - Watch THIS!"
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 00:51:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: David Tumey <davetumey at yahoo.com>
To: GREENKEYS BULLETIN BOARD <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] RTTY RU 2017 beat our goal of 209 contacts!
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The RU is in the can - in my case literally in the can. ?I went through about 1 full roll of paper both sides.
This year I managed 362 contacts. ?Last year came in at 208 so it was a solid beat. ?Next year I am shooting for 363.
I am planning on submitting my log for the first time ever - surely not enough to win any awards, but...all done with a mechanical Teletype in the true spirit of the contest.
To manage this, I kept my right hand on the laptop operating the logging software, and my left hand on the Model 33 operating the send/receive. ?About the best I could manage was an 8 second +/- QSO cycle.
I am feeling pretty confident for 2018 as all 362 contacts were made on 20 Meters only. ?The wx got down about 70F today and it was just too damn cold to go out and change the antenna to 15 M. ?I will keep a coat ready for next year. ?
A couple action photos the XYL took are attached, notice the blur proving RTTY is a physical sport! ?Since Coral Springs has severe antenna restrictions, you will note my creative solution. ?I will check the logs to see if I worked any GK members. ?Thanks for all your help & moral support & see you on the RTTY subbands in 2018!
thanks.--daveW5DT
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