[FADCA] BBS/Swtich Polk County/Bartow
bud thompson
[email protected]
Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:24:36 -0500
Evans-
That SNCP tower at the 150-180 ft level sounds just like what the Dr.
Ordered to bridge from Clermont to Tampa as well as provide good LAN
coverage there.
Basically - You need a minim three-port FPAC switch
6-el uhf beam to Clermont (almost due north?)
6-el uhf beam to Tampa (almost due west?)
(You indicated 50 and 60 ft- did you mean 150 and 160?)
2M omni for LAN
Depending on the lightening exposure, you might consider a dc-grounded
antenna for the 2M LAN (I don't think the Ringo is.)
The 2M LAN frequency for that area will have to be coordinated with Russ
Oder, N4KOX [email protected] or use this e-mail reflector.
Depending on frequency separation on UHF and the UHF radios used, you might
need to have some vertical separation between the UHF beams.
After that basic three-port switch, you might consider a UHF link south
if/when there is a target there.
Generally we are promoting 9.6kb backbone links/trunks and for the most part
these need to be on UHF as there are fewer options for 9.6kb capable radios
on 220. We have decided to use the 223.420 frequency for a 1200b WAN
backbone - so you might consider a vertical for that.
Chuck can advise you on details, including frequency to reach Tampa, and you
need to work with Dan Babilla KA0OXH [email protected] who is the
manager at the Clermont site. Dan is on this FADCA e-mail reflector as
well.
The beaming of the UHF beam at Clermont can be changed as needed - while not
a trivial matter, it is a tad easier to get to than most.
Go for it!
bud
PS: Using a FBBBBS as a central mail drop is a great idea. However, making
connections from one LAN to a BBS or live operator in another LAN is not all
that difficult once learned. Also, I believe the LINUX version of FPAC can
be set up to adaptively keep track of where everyone on the network is and a
simple connect request to any station in the data base is all that is
required!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evans Mitchell kd4efm / afa2th fl" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 09:43
Subject: Re: [FADCA] BBS/Swtich Polk County/Bartow
Dear Bud,
We are both talking about the same contact, kq4kx. EXCEPT one little minor
thing....
He and I are now talking about having it over at the "SNCP" 200' tower up
around the 150 to 180 level.
We are on a task to find out what antennas we need to have installed on the
tower at this time
and thou a dead line has not been set, I would imagine by our next monthly
meeting
The DIRECTOR of COMMS wants to know all the "W's" on the 200 foot tower and
for it to be a one time
tower crew jobie.......
My thoughts.... PACKET BBS SYSTEM SERVING THE CENTRAL REGION.....
Antennas: 1 Vhf Ringo, Omni, serving Polk County
One 220/440 beam pointing north to north east at 50'
One same beam antenna at the 60' pointing to the west
One 220 pointing to the south at the 55' level to shoot into
Highlands County
(OR JUST ONE 220 ANTENNA OMNI TO DO IT ALL AT THE 60')
Radios: 1 V and 1 220/440 High speed Radio (9600 to ?????)
HARD LINE: TBD donation would help thou....
Computer: Evans Will supply
WHITE BOY INGANUATIE............. hummmmm
I guess that would be me??????
I also need to take into consideration, some of the hams who do packet are
much older then
I and to have something complicated to connect to will be a disadvantage
more then help.
That is why I brought up the idea of using an FBB box and then everything
else behind that
(GATEWAY) and then those who are the pros, can work through the GATEWAY and
do
what ever.
Back at you Bud.
BTW, need to figure out a Frequency for this switch/node/station.
WC4PEM is on 144.930 which is the local digipeater....
KD4EFM/BARTOW/POLK/ whatever we call it needs to be something... Any ideas?
----- Original Message -----
From: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 05:50
Subject: [FADCA] BBS/Swtich Polk County/Bartow
> Subject Changed...
> Chuck said:
>
>
> "Evans,
> What do you want to install, a switch or a BBS?
>
> With regards to the network the layered network is a open
> network and in fact will pass other protocols through it with
> no problems. In fact the next major phase of the network is to
> move the switches to LINUX FPAC which will also give us other
> protocols to play with at the switch sites (IP, NetRom and I
> think a open version of Flex) I am at this moment working on
> getting a machine set up to play with so I can learn how to
> install all of the bits and pieces that are needed to make a
> LINUX switch do it's magic."
>
> Evans said:
>
> "Hey Chuck, Prefer a BBS for NTS, but I like your Linux thought 99% over
> anything else.
> as far as frequency, we have a dedicated local KPC node / digi in Bartow
and
> use it
> as nothing more then a digipeater (un via cq, wc4pem) and just keyboard
> through it.
> I would like to take one of those KPC's and put TheNET in it since I deal
> with one myself for AFMARS.
> You tell me what would be best. I can bring the PC to you or you can come
> over to Polk in two weeks to
> my ARES meeting and get it then, (meeting is in Bartow) either way, let me
> know......"
>
> Now bud's turn!
>
> Evans- Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner - Sunday was a zoo around
here
> (we have a new dog with three cats who say they were here first!)
>
> At Hamcation we discussed the need for an FPAC switch/LAN at Bartow - once
> in place that should link to the new Clermont Switch and to Tampa thus
> giving us a cross state link from Tampa to Orlando/Melbourne/DAB. Gary
has
> a contact in Polk County for this purpose (I think the site is on/near the
> airport.) What I suggest is that you consider managing the network FPAC
> switch at Bartow. You've obviously got the packet and computer
experience -
> all it takes after that is some hardware and a site!
>
> Gary and Chuck can give you a lot of help early on and we've already
> discussed having a FADCA meeting on a weekend in Bartow to help with
> installation! Several of us can come over and provide manual labor as
well
> as packet and FPAC experience to get it going if necessary.
>
> I understand Gary has recently started a new job, so I'm not sure how much
> time he may have right now - but between the rest of us here on the FADCA
> e-mail reflector, I'll bet we can get you going pretty quickly with more
> advice than you'll need! Maybe Gary can find time to get the contact made
> and you can take over from there.
>
> I suggest you get first with Gary to be able to meet the ham contact there
> who might get us a site on the Bartow airport. Also, if you have a better
> site to link between Tampa and Clermont that should be considered.
Clermont
> is an extremely elevated site (500+ft msl), and I believe the Tampa target
> is on a 19+story building.
>
> If you get a DOS FPAC running between Clermont and Tampa that would get
the
> link made and as soon as Chuck beats the LINUX version, many of us will
just
> move to that platform, probably using the same OLD SLOW computers! The
> radio hardware is all the same.
>
> TheNet and other X-1J type nodes do not mix well with FPAC. We have to
use
> one now to get between Orlando and Melbourne and will be dumping it as
soon
> as the Orlando Switch is moved. We also have another one in the way
> (needed) in the JAX area which will be by-passed as soon as another FPAC
is
> installed in that area. I recommend you spend your efforts on FPAC - but
> you'll need three TNCs, and three radios in addition to the computer.
> You'll need a 2M LAN radio, and likely two UHF radios for the trunks.
What
> would be neat would be for your locals (AREC?/ Radio club?) to help out
with
> expenses - but all this need not be expensive.
>
> I've been promoting the re-furbishing of the Layered Network for five
years
> and now a switch between Clermont and Tampa is now the highest priority!
> The cross-state link across Central Florida has been slow coming - but we
> are almost there. The X1-J test at Clermont should be full FPAC before
the
> end of this month, perhaps even within the next two weeks
>
> Go for it!
>
> Help is as close as this e-mail reflector.
>
> 73,
> bud N0IA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 00:54
> Subject: RE: [FADCA] Re: Fw: NTS
>
>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Evans Mitchell kd4efm / afa2th fl [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 29 February, 2004 07:50
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Cc: bud thompson
> > > Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: Fw: NTS
> > >
> > > Hey Bud,
> > > I have a spare machine down here in Polk County and would like to get
> your
> > > help
> > > or help from Chuck / Gary on getting a "BBS" / NODE / wide area
network
> > > setup.
> > > I have talked to Joe (ke4wdp) and he says there is this network called
> > > INI???
> > > which is an open network, which is something we all would like to have
> > > since
> > > we are going to have a local node, and a SEDAN node in the county.
> > > Your help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Evans F. Mitchell
> > > KD4EFM / AFA2TH
> > > Polk County EC
> > > Polk ARES Group
> > > Polk County Florida
> > > Nextel: 161-174484-2
> > >
> >
> > Evans,
> > What do you want to install, a switch or a BBS?
> >
> > With regards to the network the layered network is a open
> > network and in fact will pass other protocols through it with
> > no problems. In fact the next major phase of the network is to
> > move the switches to LINUX FPAC which will also give us other
> > protocols to play with at the switch sites (IP, NetRom and I
> > think a open version of Flex) I am at this moment working on
> > getting a machine set up to play with so I can learn how to
> > install all of the bits and pieces that are needed to make a
> > LINUX switch do it's magic.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck Hast
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To paraphrase my flight instructor;
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> > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
> > and twisted metal."
> >
> >
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