[FADCA] BBS/Swtich Polk County/Bartow
Evans Mitchell kd4efm / afa2th fl
[email protected]
Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:08:40 -0500
the beams at a lower footage.....
I am going to talk to Richard a little more on this tonight...
I will get back to you on this...
EFM
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From: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 14:24
Subject: Re: [FADCA] BBS/Swtich Polk County/Bartow
> Evans-
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> That SNCP tower at the 150-180 ft level sounds just like what the Dr.
> Ordered to bridge from Clermont to Tampa as well as provide good LAN
> coverage there.
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> Basically - You need a minim three-port FPAC switch
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> 6-el uhf beam to Clermont (almost due north?)
> 6-el uhf beam to Tampa (almost due west?)
> (You indicated 50 and 60 ft- did you mean 150 and 160?)
> 2M omni for LAN
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> Depending on the lightening exposure, you might consider a dc-grounded
> antenna for the 2M LAN (I don't think the Ringo is.)
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> The 2M LAN frequency for that area will have to be coordinated with =
Russ
> Oder, N4KOX [email protected] or use this e-mail reflector.
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> Depending on frequency separation on UHF and the UHF radios used, you =
might
> need to have some vertical separation between the UHF beams.
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> After that basic three-port switch, you might consider a UHF link =
south
> if/when there is a target there.
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> Generally we are promoting 9.6kb backbone links/trunks and for the =
most part
> these need to be on UHF as there are fewer options for 9.6kb capable =
radios
> on 220. We have decided to use the 223.420 frequency for a 1200b WAN
> backbone - so you might consider a vertical for that.
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> Chuck can advise you on details, including frequency to reach Tampa, =
and you
> need to work with Dan Babilla KA0OXH [email protected] who is the
> manager at the Clermont site. Dan is on this FADCA e-mail reflector =
as
> well.
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> The beaming of the UHF beam at Clermont can be changed as needed - =
while not
> a trivial matter, it is a tad easier to get to than most.
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> Go for it!
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> bud
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> PS: Using a FBBBBS as a central mail drop is a great idea. However, =
making
> connections from one LAN to a BBS or live operator in another LAN is =
not all
> that difficult once learned. Also, I believe the LINUX version of =
FPAC can
> be set up to adaptively keep track of where everyone on the network is =
and a
> simple connect request to any station in the data base is all that is
> required!
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Evans Mitchell kd4efm / afa2th fl" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 09:43
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] BBS/Swtich Polk County/Bartow
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> Dear Bud,
> We are both talking about the same contact, kq4kx. EXCEPT one little =
minor
> thing....
> He and I are now talking about having it over at the "SNCP" 200' tower =
up
> around the 150 to 180 level.
> We are on a task to find out what antennas we need to have installed =
on the
> tower at this time
> and thou a dead line has not been set, I would imagine by our next =
monthly
> meeting
> The DIRECTOR of COMMS wants to know all the "W's" on the 200 foot =
tower and
> for it to be a one time
> tower crew jobie.......
> My thoughts.... PACKET BBS SYSTEM SERVING THE CENTRAL REGION.....
> Antennas: 1 Vhf Ringo, Omni, serving Polk County
> One 220/440 beam pointing north to north east at 50'
> One same beam antenna at the 60' pointing to the west
> One 220 pointing to the south at the 55' level to =
shoot into
> Highlands County
> (OR JUST ONE 220 ANTENNA OMNI TO DO IT ALL AT THE 60')
> Radios: 1 V and 1 220/440 High speed Radio (9600 to ?????)
> HARD LINE: TBD donation would help thou....
> Computer: Evans Will supply
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> WHITE BOY INGANUATIE............. hummmmm
> I guess that would be me??????
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> I also need to take into consideration, some of the hams who do packet =
are
> much older then
> I and to have something complicated to connect to will be a =
disadvantage
> more then help.
> That is why I brought up the idea of using an FBB box and then =
everything
> else behind that
> (GATEWAY) and then those who are the pros, can work through the =
GATEWAY and
> do
> what ever.
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> Back at you Bud.
> BTW, need to figure out a Frequency for this switch/node/station.
> WC4PEM is on 144.930 which is the local digipeater....
> KD4EFM/BARTOW/POLK/ whatever we call it needs to be something... Any =
ideas?
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 05:50
> Subject: [FADCA] BBS/Swtich Polk County/Bartow
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> > Subject Changed...
> > Chuck said:
> >
> >
> > "Evans,
> > What do you want to install, a switch or a BBS?
> >
> > With regards to the network the layered network is a open
> > network and in fact will pass other protocols through it with
> > no problems. In fact the next major phase of the network is to
> > move the switches to LINUX FPAC which will also give us other
> > protocols to play with at the switch sites (IP, NetRom and I
> > think a open version of Flex) I am at this moment working on
> > getting a machine set up to play with so I can learn how to
> > install all of the bits and pieces that are needed to make a
> > LINUX switch do it's magic."
> >
> > Evans said:
> >
> > "Hey Chuck, Prefer a BBS for NTS, but I like your Linux thought 99% =
over
> > anything else.
> > as far as frequency, we have a dedicated local KPC node / digi in =
Bartow
> and
> > use it
> > as nothing more then a digipeater (un via cq, wc4pem) and just =
keyboard
> > through it.
> > I would like to take one of those KPC's and put TheNET in it since I =
deal
> > with one myself for AFMARS.
> > You tell me what would be best. I can bring the PC to you or you can =
come
> > over to Polk in two weeks to
> > my ARES meeting and get it then, (meeting is in Bartow) either way, =
let me
> > know......"
> >
> > Now bud's turn!
> >
> > Evans- Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner - Sunday was a zoo =
around
> here
> > (we have a new dog with three cats who say they were here first!)
> >
> > At Hamcation we discussed the need for an FPAC switch/LAN at Bartow =
- once
> > in place that should link to the new Clermont Switch and to Tampa =
thus
> > giving us a cross state link from Tampa to Orlando/Melbourne/DAB. =
Gary
> has
> > a contact in Polk County for this purpose (I think the site is =
on/near the
> > airport.) What I suggest is that you consider managing the network =
FPAC
> > switch at Bartow. You've obviously got the packet and computer
> experience -
> > all it takes after that is some hardware and a site!
> >
> > Gary and Chuck can give you a lot of help early on and we've already
> > discussed having a FADCA meeting on a weekend in Bartow to help with
> > installation! Several of us can come over and provide manual labor =
as
> well
> > as packet and FPAC experience to get it going if necessary.
> >
> > I understand Gary has recently started a new job, so I'm not sure =
how much
> > time he may have right now - but between the rest of us here on the =
FADCA
> > e-mail reflector, I'll bet we can get you going pretty quickly with =
more
> > advice than you'll need! Maybe Gary can find time to get the =
contact made
> > and you can take over from there.
> >
> > I suggest you get first with Gary to be able to meet the ham contact =
there
> > who might get us a site on the Bartow airport. Also, if you have a =
better
> > site to link between Tampa and Clermont that should be considered.
> Clermont
> > is an extremely elevated site (500+ft msl), and I believe the Tampa =
target
> > is on a 19+story building.
> >
> > If you get a DOS FPAC running between Clermont and Tampa that would =
get
> the
> > link made and as soon as Chuck beats the LINUX version, many of us =
will
> just
> > move to that platform, probably using the same OLD SLOW computers! =
The
> > radio hardware is all the same.
> >
> > TheNet and other X-1J type nodes do not mix well with FPAC. We have =
to
> use
> > one now to get between Orlando and Melbourne and will be dumping it =
as
> soon
> > as the Orlando Switch is moved. We also have another one in the way
> > (needed) in the JAX area which will be by-passed as soon as another =
FPAC
> is
> > installed in that area. I recommend you spend your efforts on FPAC =
- but
> > you'll need three TNCs, and three radios in addition to the =
computer.
> > You'll need a 2M LAN radio, and likely two UHF radios for the =
trunks.
> What
> > would be neat would be for your locals (AREC?/ Radio club?) to help =
out
> with
> > expenses - but all this need not be expensive.
> >
> > I've been promoting the re-furbishing of the Layered Network for =
five
> years
> > and now a switch between Clermont and Tampa is now the highest =
priority!
> > The cross-state link across Central Florida has been slow coming - =
but we
> > are almost there. The X1-J test at Clermont should be full FPAC =
before
> the
> > end of this month, perhaps even within the next two weeks
> >
> > Go for it!
> >
> > Help is as close as this e-mail reflector.
> >
> > 73,
> > bud N0IA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 00:54
> > Subject: RE: [FADCA] Re: Fw: NTS
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Evans Mitchell kd4efm / afa2th fl =
[mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 29 February, 2004 07:50
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Cc: bud thompson
> > > > Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: Fw: NTS
> > > >
> > > > Hey Bud,
> > > > I have a spare machine down here in Polk County and would like =
to get
> > your
> > > > help
> > > > or help from Chuck / Gary on getting a "BBS" / NODE / wide area
> network
> > > > setup.
> > > > I have talked to Joe (ke4wdp) and he says there is this network =
called
> > > > INI???
> > > > which is an open network, which is something we all would like =
to have
> > > > since
> > > > we are going to have a local node, and a SEDAN node in the =
county.
> > > > Your help would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Evans F. Mitchell
> > > > KD4EFM / AFA2TH
> > > > Polk County EC
> > > > Polk ARES Group
> > > > Polk County Florida
> > > > Nextel: 161-174484-2
> > > >
> > >
> > > Evans,
> > > What do you want to install, a switch or a BBS?
> > >
> > > With regards to the network the layered network is a open
> > > network and in fact will pass other protocols through it with
> > > no problems. In fact the next major phase of the network is to
> > > move the switches to LINUX FPAC which will also give us other
> > > protocols to play with at the switch sites (IP, NetRom and I
> > > think a open version of Flex) I am at this moment working on
> > > getting a machine set up to play with so I can learn how to
> > > install all of the bits and pieces that are needed to make a
> > > LINUX switch do it's magic.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck Hast
> >
> > =
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> > > To paraphrase my flight instructor;
> > > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my =
going
> > > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of =
torn
> > > and twisted metal."
> > >
> > >
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