[Dx4win] R: R: R: R: wish list for 8.02 or later
Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
tibor.blum at tiscali.it
Fri Aug 28 15:57:33 EDT 2009
Mel,
happy to know that Paul is aware of the matter.
What you write is exactly what I founded. Yes, dx4win runs ok on VSPE but if
it is the only sw direct to that com.
You say about CI-V bus...well, the problem is shown even with my kenwood
ts2000x regardless to the speed: I tried from 4800 to 57600 and it is always
the same.
I mean... there is something to be fix not only for the Icom but for Kenwood
as well.
If it will work I will be satisfied.
73 de Tibor, IK2SAI
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Mel [mailto:ve2dc at videotron.ca]
Inviato: venerdì 28 agosto 2009 21.44
A: Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
Oggetto: Re: [Dx4win] R: R: R: wish list for 8.02 or later
OK Tibor... I tried out VSPE and it works perfectly... but DX4Win
doesn't! It works as long as DX4Win is the only program polling, but if
you generate traffic by trying to control the radio the DX4Win driver
has issues... it is unable to handle traffic and collisions on the CI-V
bus. This is a problem that Paul is aware of... and I hope he will
address it eventually by improving the Icom interface.
This is the correct solution to your problem. Adding virtual COM ports
to DX4Win is not because, even if Paul did this, it still wouldn't work
without fixing the Icom serial interface.
Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI - wrote:
> Mel,
> come on it is not necessary to ask - always - for some of common or
usual.
> I do not talking about a common software. I talking about my logging
> software and about a function I am looking for.
> There are some software able to create virtual ports. I was advised to run
> VSPE that seems to be just perfect for what I looking for but while other
> software (for example HRD and ARCP2000) are working flawlessly dx4win
"gives
> numbers". So because it is not easy to find a third party software able to
> accommodate, say dx4win and HRD on the same com, on the same radio, at the
> same time, I am trying to ask *if is possible* to thing about that by
Paul,
> developers of the software that I love.
> I am not interested about other software. If I was, may be I made a
> different choice well before.
> If you are able to find a software setup with third party emulator
*running
> flawless* I will be happy in the same way.
>
> 73 de Tibor, IK2SAI
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Mel [mailto:ve2dc at videotron.ca]
> Inviato: venerdì 28 agosto 2009 20.57
> A: Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
> Oggetto: Re: [Dx4win] R: R: wish list for 8.02 or later
>
> Oh I understand Tibor. Probably he has to make a little money to justify
> the time he spends on it to the XYL ;-)
>
> I don't agree that supplying virtual com ports is a normal function of
> logging software. Can you gibe me one example of logging software that
> provides this function? I can give you many examples of logging software
> that doesn't. Writelog, N1MM, DXLabs, Logic, Win-EQF, Logger32, DXBase,
> Win-TEST, and at least a dozen others I have tried.
>
> I may take a look at some Virtual COM port software and see if I can get
> it to work with DX4Win. I will post to the reflector if I find one that
> works.
>
> Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI - wrote:
>> Mel i hope to be understood.
>> I think that dx4win is great. I wrote in my previous messages that for me
>> there is only dx4win as a logging software.
>> All the time I download a new logging software (believe me I have made it
>> tenth of time) I am reassured by myself that no other software even come
>> close to "our" dx4win.
>> I well understand that Paul is not going to be rich with dx4win even if I
>> suppose there should be some thousands of licences running around out
> there.
>> Any way I am not interested in Paul's pocket affair: if he is still
>> developing dx4win or he enjoy doing that or he can earn enough money for
>> himself to be happy or both of them.
>> We are just talking about possible way to develope our favourite sw and
> just
>> talking about my - personal - wish list. It is the very first time that
I
>> ask something for dx4win but I think that I am not alone about that.
>> Because dx4win is a logging software and not a CAT I understand that at
>> this time it is gonna be some of very tedious to start a CAT develop.
>> But because there are some CAT software (I mentioned HRD but it is not
>> alone: as I said kenwood owners are proud of their proprietary CAT
> program:
>> they are simply the best even respect to HRD) I think should be much
> better
>> to give the chance to dx4win owner to run at the same time 2 software on
> the
>> same com in order to CAT at 100% the radio and in order to enjoy the
> benefit
>> coming from either software.
>> I know that Simon is 1) a great Ham 2) is a great software developer BUT
> it
>> is not the only one and all the time a CAT software take live we should
go
>> to the developer asking for that.
>> No, sorry, this is something related to dx4win.
>> Instead of spending time for a serious CAT interface, in MY opinion
should
>> be much more interesting to find the way to give the chance of choice the
>> preferred CAT sw running at the same time with dx4win.
>>
>> 73 de Tibor, IK2SAI
>>
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: Mel [mailto:ve2dc at videotron.ca]
>> Inviato: venerdì 28 agosto 2009 16.41
>> A: Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
>> Oggetto: Re: [Dx4win] R: wish list for 8.02 or later
>>
>> see comments below
>>
>> Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI - wrote:
>>> Ciao Mel.
>>> No, i did not asked to Simon.
>>> HRD is going to implement a fine Log with the 5.0 release and I think he
>>> should...or would be not so interested in interfacing to thirdy party
>>> logging software.
>> Why not? I really don't think Simon is motivated by business
>> considerations... HRD is an altruistic undertaking... if he was out to
>> make money there are better things he could do with his time. The same
>> is true for Paul;)
>>
>>> We have to keep in mind that HRD is free while Dx4Win is not.
>> It makes some money... but Paul has to pay for his development tools and
>> every hour he spends on DX4Win is an hour he could be spending doing
>> contract work at typically $50-$100 per hour depending on where he
>> lives. I'm pretty sure his motive isn't profit. There are some Ham
>> software developers who have accumulated enough money through other
>> business ventures that they can afford to develop software just for
>> fun... Probably Paul isn't there yet ;)
>>
>>> The com emulator is something, I think, I have to ask to Paul.
>>> It is dx4win that can't compete with HRD for CAT. HRD respect the log is
>>> much more further.
>>> And I think we are talking about software. So I can imagine that with
> some
>>> hardware interface problems should be solved but, because something can
>> be
>>> done on the software as well, here is my request.
>>>
>>> About HRD log...well I imported my 36000 qsos and was not so slow. What
>>> impressed to me is that all the time I ad one qso it takes so much time
>>> that, if I am a runner on some frequency, I certainly run faster than my
>>> log!
>>> After all I can confirm that dx4win is just the best software logging
>>> software.
>> I agree if speed and accuracy are the most important criteria. (they are
>> for me). There are other programs with many more... and useful...
> features.
>> BTW, go to the EQSL site and look at the pages on logging software and
>> note the number of uploads based on software. DX4Win is ranked first
>> with nearly 8 million QSOs uploaded. The only one close is Logger32 but
>> that is free software (and you know about Hams and their legendary
>> reluctance to open their wallet). Bear in mind that DX4Win, until
>> recently, wasn't the easiest software to use with eQSL!
>>
>>> Because I use it since 1.07 release (December 1997) I would like
>>> to see as better as it can and I do not want to miss it due the CAT
>> problems
>>
>> Paul needs to do a bit of work on CAT... maybe he will do it. But if I
>> were in his situation I wouldn't embark on any new features until all
>> the old ones are working first.
>>
>>> But year after year...new radio after new radio, can be clear that the
>>> problem is getting better. Today most of the home Ham radio stations are
>>> built if not on a computer base...around a computer and all new rigs
have
>>> simpler connectivity.
>>>
>>> 73 de Tibor, IK2SAI
>>>
>>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>>> Da: Mel [mailto:ve2dc at videotron.ca]
>>> Inviato: venerdì 28 agosto 2009 15.02
>>> A: Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
>>> Cc: Dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>> Oggetto: Re: [Dx4win] wish list for 8.02 or later
>>>
>>> Hi Tibor.
>>>
>>> AFIK #2 is being considered... it might take a while... bugs need to be
>>> fixed first.
>>>
>>> re #1... I think you should ask Simon to implement that in HRD since his
>>> program would create that requirement with any logging program. (Maybe
>>> he did... did you ask him?) I use multiple virtual ports as implemented
>>> my Microham and that works perfectly. As for DX4Win users switching to
>>> HRD logging... not a chance. D4W users use it for a reason... very fast
>>> performance and the most accurate award tracking. Did you try Simons'
>>> log? It uses Microsoft Jet DB so is SLOOOOOW! Here is an example...
>>>
>>> On my not so fast hamshack computer to import 25K QSOs...
>>>
>>> DX4Win (proprietary DB)... about 1 minute.
>>> Logic8 (Foxbase)... about 5 minutes.
>>> DXLabs (MS Jet)... about 30 minutes.
>>> HRD Log (MS Jet)... about 30 minutes
>>>
>>> DX4Win to open... about 3 seconds
>>> HRD Log to open... about 30 seconds... that's a looong time when you are
>>> waiting ;-)
>>>
>>> To be fair... I am sure HRD will get faster... Simon is an amazing
>>> programmer... but he can't make the MS Jet DB go any faster... I suspect
>>> Microsoft designed it that way to push people to it's SQL server ;) I
>>> believe he supports connections to other databases such as mySQL but
>>> that is starting to get complicated for the average user.
>>>
>>> Also, using MS Jet DB does make it much easier to access your data...
>>> for example... you have almost unlimited ability to make adjustments or
>>> corrections to your log if you are familiar with ACCESS.
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, you can't beat D4W for speed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI - wrote:
>>>> Ok, i don't know if it is appropriate at this time to make a post like
>>> this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any way: I would like to ask a pair of things to Paul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1) we can understand that CAT is a very complicated matter.
Dx4win
>>> do
>>>> that in a very primitive manner. But. now that dx4win has the band map
>>>> should be very interesting to run connected to the radio. Problem is
> that
>>>> many of us are using dedicated CAT software like HRD or, for the
TS2000,
>>> the
>>>> ARCP2000. Many of use have more than 2.3 radio connected. The only way
> to
>>>> run dx4win together with such these software is a com emulator. I tried
> a
>>>> number of them but they show some problem with dx4win. Now, because
>> dx4win
>>>> will be not a CAT program but it is simply the best logging software
>>> around
>>>> should be a nice feature if, dx4win itself provides a virtual com
>> system,
>>>> good for itself and good for us running a multitasking system. Should
be
>> a
>>>> nice touch now that the best cat program around (HRD) is going to
>>> implement
>>>> a logging software by itself (HRD). Some people should be driven to
>>> migrate
>>>> from dx4win to HRD log.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2) This is much more simple. I ham an avid cluster user. All the
>>> time
>>>> that I connect to my node I do have a number of operations that should
> be
>>>> easy to implement like a macro or something like that. I mean that when
> I
>>>> start dx4win, my log should be connected directly to my node and should
>>>> clean all the previous spots in its windows. At the contrary they are
> all
>>>> manual opr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Holidays are at the end.. Contest season is back to the door and seems
>>> that
>>>> propagation is going to do a better job than last year.
>>>>
>>>> 73 and good dx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tibor, IK2SAI
>>>>
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