[Dx4win] R: R: R: wish list for 8.02 or later
Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
tibor.blum at tiscali.it
Fri Aug 28 15:22:26 EDT 2009
Mel,
come on it is not necessary to ask - always - for some of common or usual.
I do not talking about a common software. I talking about my logging
software and about a function I am looking for.
There are some software able to create virtual ports. I was advised to run
VSPE that seems to be just perfect for what I looking for but while other
software (for example HRD and ARCP2000) are working flawlessly dx4win "gives
numbers". So because it is not easy to find a third party software able to
accommodate, say dx4win and HRD on the same com, on the same radio, at the
same time, I am trying to ask *if is possible* to thing about that by Paul,
developers of the software that I love.
I am not interested about other software. If I was, may be I made a
different choice well before.
If you are able to find a software setup with third party emulator *running
flawless* I will be happy in the same way.
73 de Tibor, IK2SAI
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Mel [mailto:ve2dc at videotron.ca]
Inviato: venerdì 28 agosto 2009 20.57
A: Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
Oggetto: Re: [Dx4win] R: R: wish list for 8.02 or later
Oh I understand Tibor. Probably he has to make a little money to justify
the time he spends on it to the XYL ;-)
I don't agree that supplying virtual com ports is a normal function of
logging software. Can you gibe me one example of logging software that
provides this function? I can give you many examples of logging software
that doesn't. Writelog, N1MM, DXLabs, Logic, Win-EQF, Logger32, DXBase,
Win-TEST, and at least a dozen others I have tried.
I may take a look at some Virtual COM port software and see if I can get
it to work with DX4Win. I will post to the reflector if I find one that
works.
Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI - wrote:
> Mel i hope to be understood.
> I think that dx4win is great. I wrote in my previous messages that for me
> there is only dx4win as a logging software.
> All the time I download a new logging software (believe me I have made it
> tenth of time) I am reassured by myself that no other software even come
> close to "our" dx4win.
> I well understand that Paul is not going to be rich with dx4win even if I
> suppose there should be some thousands of licences running around out
there.
> Any way I am not interested in Paul's pocket affair: if he is still
> developing dx4win or he enjoy doing that or he can earn enough money for
> himself to be happy or both of them.
> We are just talking about possible way to develope our favourite sw and
just
> talking about my - personal - wish list. It is the very first time that I
> ask something for dx4win but I think that I am not alone about that.
> Because dx4win is a logging software and not a CAT I understand that at
> this time it is gonna be some of very tedious to start a CAT develop.
> But because there are some CAT software (I mentioned HRD but it is not
> alone: as I said kenwood owners are proud of their proprietary CAT
program:
> they are simply the best even respect to HRD) I think should be much
better
> to give the chance to dx4win owner to run at the same time 2 software on
the
> same com in order to CAT at 100% the radio and in order to enjoy the
benefit
> coming from either software.
> I know that Simon is 1) a great Ham 2) is a great software developer BUT
it
> is not the only one and all the time a CAT software take live we should go
> to the developer asking for that.
> No, sorry, this is something related to dx4win.
> Instead of spending time for a serious CAT interface, in MY opinion should
> be much more interesting to find the way to give the chance of choice the
> preferred CAT sw running at the same time with dx4win.
>
> 73 de Tibor, IK2SAI
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Mel [mailto:ve2dc at videotron.ca]
> Inviato: venerdì 28 agosto 2009 16.41
> A: Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
> Oggetto: Re: [Dx4win] R: wish list for 8.02 or later
>
> see comments below
>
> Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI - wrote:
>> Ciao Mel.
>> No, i did not asked to Simon.
>> HRD is going to implement a fine Log with the 5.0 release and I think he
>> should...or would be not so interested in interfacing to thirdy party
>> logging software.
>
> Why not? I really don't think Simon is motivated by business
> considerations... HRD is an altruistic undertaking... if he was out to
> make money there are better things he could do with his time. The same
> is true for Paul;)
>
>> We have to keep in mind that HRD is free while Dx4Win is not.
>
> It makes some money... but Paul has to pay for his development tools and
> every hour he spends on DX4Win is an hour he could be spending doing
> contract work at typically $50-$100 per hour depending on where he
> lives. I'm pretty sure his motive isn't profit. There are some Ham
> software developers who have accumulated enough money through other
> business ventures that they can afford to develop software just for
> fun... Probably Paul isn't there yet ;)
>
>> The com emulator is something, I think, I have to ask to Paul.
>> It is dx4win that can't compete with HRD for CAT. HRD respect the log is
>> much more further.
>> And I think we are talking about software. So I can imagine that with
some
>> hardware interface problems should be solved but, because something can
> be
>> done on the software as well, here is my request.
>>
>> About HRD log...well I imported my 36000 qsos and was not so slow. What
>> impressed to me is that all the time I ad one qso it takes so much time
>> that, if I am a runner on some frequency, I certainly run faster than my
>> log!
>> After all I can confirm that dx4win is just the best software logging
>> software.
>
> I agree if speed and accuracy are the most important criteria. (they are
> for me). There are other programs with many more... and useful...
features.
>
> BTW, go to the EQSL site and look at the pages on logging software and
> note the number of uploads based on software. DX4Win is ranked first
> with nearly 8 million QSOs uploaded. The only one close is Logger32 but
> that is free software (and you know about Hams and their legendary
> reluctance to open their wallet). Bear in mind that DX4Win, until
> recently, wasn't the easiest software to use with eQSL!
>
>> Because I use it since 1.07 release (December 1997) I would like
>> to see as better as it can and I do not want to miss it due the CAT
> problems
>
> Paul needs to do a bit of work on CAT... maybe he will do it. But if I
> were in his situation I wouldn't embark on any new features until all
> the old ones are working first.
>
>> But year after year...new radio after new radio, can be clear that the
>> problem is getting better. Today most of the home Ham radio stations are
>> built if not on a computer base...around a computer and all new rigs have
>> simpler connectivity.
>>
>> 73 de Tibor, IK2SAI
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: Mel [mailto:ve2dc at videotron.ca]
>> Inviato: venerdì 28 agosto 2009 15.02
>> A: Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI -
>> Cc: Dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>> Oggetto: Re: [Dx4win] wish list for 8.02 or later
>>
>> Hi Tibor.
>>
>> AFIK #2 is being considered... it might take a while... bugs need to be
>> fixed first.
>>
>> re #1... I think you should ask Simon to implement that in HRD since his
>> program would create that requirement with any logging program. (Maybe
>> he did... did you ask him?) I use multiple virtual ports as implemented
>> my Microham and that works perfectly. As for DX4Win users switching to
>> HRD logging... not a chance. D4W users use it for a reason... very fast
>> performance and the most accurate award tracking. Did you try Simons'
>> log? It uses Microsoft Jet DB so is SLOOOOOW! Here is an example...
>>
>> On my not so fast hamshack computer to import 25K QSOs...
>>
>> DX4Win (proprietary DB)... about 1 minute.
>> Logic8 (Foxbase)... about 5 minutes.
>> DXLabs (MS Jet)... about 30 minutes.
>> HRD Log (MS Jet)... about 30 minutes
>>
>> DX4Win to open... about 3 seconds
>> HRD Log to open... about 30 seconds... that's a looong time when you are
>> waiting ;-)
>>
>> To be fair... I am sure HRD will get faster... Simon is an amazing
>> programmer... but he can't make the MS Jet DB go any faster... I suspect
>> Microsoft designed it that way to push people to it's SQL server ;) I
>> believe he supports connections to other databases such as mySQL but
>> that is starting to get complicated for the average user.
>>
>> Also, using MS Jet DB does make it much easier to access your data...
>> for example... you have almost unlimited ability to make adjustments or
>> corrections to your log if you are familiar with ACCESS.
>>
>> Nonetheless, you can't beat D4W for speed.
>>
>>
>> Tibor M. Blum - IK2SAI - wrote:
>>> Ok, i don't know if it is appropriate at this time to make a post like
>> this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any way: I would like to ask a pair of things to Paul.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) we can understand that CAT is a very complicated matter. Dx4win
>> do
>>> that in a very primitive manner. But. now that dx4win has the band map
>>> should be very interesting to run connected to the radio. Problem is
that
>>> many of us are using dedicated CAT software like HRD or, for the TS2000,
>> the
>>> ARCP2000. Many of use have more than 2.3 radio connected. The only way
to
>>> run dx4win together with such these software is a com emulator. I tried
a
>>> number of them but they show some problem with dx4win. Now, because
> dx4win
>>> will be not a CAT program but it is simply the best logging software
>> around
>>> should be a nice feature if, dx4win itself provides a virtual com
> system,
>>> good for itself and good for us running a multitasking system. Should be
> a
>>> nice touch now that the best cat program around (HRD) is going to
>> implement
>>> a logging software by itself (HRD). Some people should be driven to
>> migrate
>>> from dx4win to HRD log.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) This is much more simple. I ham an avid cluster user. All the
>> time
>>> that I connect to my node I do have a number of operations that should
be
>>> easy to implement like a macro or something like that. I mean that when
I
>>> start dx4win, my log should be connected directly to my node and should
>>> clean all the previous spots in its windows. At the contrary they are
all
>>> manual opr.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Holidays are at the end.. Contest season is back to the door and seems
>> that
>>> propagation is going to do a better job than last year.
>>>
>>> 73 and good dx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tibor, IK2SAI
>>>
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