[Drake] Tubes???

Thu Dec 6 16:18:41 EST 2007

Actually Jim....If you compared apples to apples, you'd find the old Scott 
or Marantz are light years better sounding then the Denon, Pioneer or 
Yamaha.
You probably did not have the same set of 'cans' when you were a teen, nor 
did you have a clean CD or .mp3 as an input.
I had some expensive Adcom and then Krell solid state stuff, and sold it all 
when I heard a tube-type Audio Research setup. I spend a couple grand for 
the AR amp and preamp. Then, recently I discovered that like everything 
else....the far east build it for less. While not quite the same build 
quality...I gotta say, it sounded just as good. So I sold all the AR stuff 
and got some no-name chinese amp that uses a quad of KT88 tubes.

Want to really hear that ipod? Plug it in to a tube-type headphone amp, and 
get a good pair of Sennheiser cans. You'll be a convert!!
....Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Barrie" <barrie at cinci.rr.com>
To: "Dan Cotsirilos K9DTC" <k9dtc at comcast.net>
Cc: "Drake Listserver ( QTH.NET )" <drake at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Drake] Tubes???

> all i know is that the audio I hear out of my iPod into a decent set of 
> cans out performs the Scott ... ditto for the Denon AVR-2400, the  Pioneer 
> SX2600 or Yamaha av55 ... all are much better than the Marantz  or Scott 
> that I had as a teen. Much cleaner signal .. no hiss ... oh  well .. 
> apologize for getting the group off topic. I'm going back to 20  with my 
> T-4X / R-4C while the band is still open this afternoon
> 73
> Jim
> WA8SDF
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Dan Cotsirilos K9DTC wrote:
>
> Anyone who mocks the "warm" sound of tubes hasn't taken the time to  hear 
> what the differance is. I use a Scott 299C tube int amp and there  is 
> nothing solid state made today that I would change it with. When it  comes 
> to high fi they have not equaled the sold of 1960 with solid  state as 
> yet.
>
> Do modern receivers "really" out perform a 1951 Collins R-388? I  haven't 
> heard one.
>
>
>
>
> Dan K9DTC
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Maples" <dsmaples at comcast.net>
> To: "James Barrie" <barrie at cinci.rr.com>; "Drake Listserver ( QTH.NET  )" 
> <drake at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [Drake] Tubes???
>
>
>> James: There really is something behind the "warm sound".  A typical
>> vacuum-tube push-pull Class B transformer-coupled output stage will 
>> generate
>> even harmonics, which are pleasing to the ear.  The early solid-state
>> complementary-symmetry amplifiers, on the other hand, generated 
>> odd-harmonic
>> energy (which is irritating to the ear).
>>
>> For what it's worth.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave WB4FUR
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of James Barrie
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:33 PM
>> To: Drake Listserver ( QTH.NET )
>> Subject: Re: [Drake] Tubes???
>>
>>
>> I have yet to have anyone tell me what "warm sound of tubes" really
>> sounds like ...
>> Is  it the muffled, muddy sounds that were typical of the time? You
>> know... poor dynamic range....
>> Or is it  just someone making up hype to move tubes that they were
>> otherwise stuck with?
>> And did they go on to found Monster Cable?
>>  LOL
>> Jim
>> WA8SDF
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:14 PM, k6xyz wrote:
>>
>> You are only half right.....yes , the phools have kited the prices and
>> any
>> one of these tubes will work well in amateur service....however, there
>> is a
>> big, big difference in sound once you start to play music through them.
>> Some
>> tube brands are no good at all for music....some are excellent.
>> That's a fact.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave Harmon
>> CCA 97-535
>> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
>> Sperry, Ok.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of Glen Zook
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:21 PM
>> To: Dan Bolander; drake at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Drake] Tubes???
>>
>> The audiophools have gone "ape" over the 12AX7 tubes
>> and they run all over the place in prices due to their
>> "desirablility" to those persons.
>>
>> Frankly, the cheapest 12AX7 should work just as well
>> as the most expensive, especially in any amateur radio
>> unit.  If you want my opinion, like 99.999% of the
>> audiophools cannot really tell the difference in the
>> performance between any of the 12AX7 tubes.  It is
>> just that they have been "told" that one brand is
>> better than another or that one element configuration
>> is better than another.
>>
>> Glen, K9STH
>>
>>
>> --- Dan Bolander <wb9tyt at cybrzn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I went to "TubeDepot site and checked the prices of
>> all the tubes in the R4B and got a shock when I looked
>> at the selection and prices for a 12AX7!!! There must
>> be about 15 or more different prices. My question is,
>> which tube is the best one for this application?? Most
>> mention use in a guitar amp or some other amplifier..
>>
>> What say, which one is the right one and where might
>> be the best place to get these tubes???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Glen, K9STH
>>
>> Website:  http://k9sth.com
>>
>>
>>
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