[Drake] Tubes???

Thu Dec 6 21:42:23 EST 2007

Well Said Dave!!!! Hearing is believing

Dan K9DTC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Edwards" <kd2e at comcast.net>
To: "James Barrie" <barrie at cinci.rr.com>; "Dan Cotsirilos K9DTC" 
<k9dtc at comcast.net>
Cc: "Drake Listserver ( QTH.NET )" <drake at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Drake] Tubes???

> Actually Jim....If you compared apples to apples, you'd find the old Scott 
> or Marantz are light years better sounding then the Denon, Pioneer or 
> Yamaha.
> You probably did not have the same set of 'cans' when you were a teen, nor 
> did you have a clean CD or .mp3 as an input.
> I had some expensive Adcom and then Krell solid state stuff, and sold it 
> all when I heard a tube-type Audio Research setup. I spend a couple grand 
> for the AR amp and preamp. Then, recently I discovered that like 
> everything else....the far east build it for less. While not quite the 
> same build quality...I gotta say, it sounded just as good. So I sold all 
> the AR stuff and got some no-name chinese amp that uses a quad of KT88 
> tubes.
>
> Want to really hear that ipod? Plug it in to a tube-type headphone amp, 
> and get a good pair of Sennheiser cans. You'll be a convert!!
> ....Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Barrie" <barrie at cinci.rr.com>
> To: "Dan Cotsirilos K9DTC" <k9dtc at comcast.net>
> Cc: "Drake Listserver ( QTH.NET )" <drake at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Drake] Tubes???
>
>
>> all i know is that the audio I hear out of my iPod into a decent set of 
>> cans out performs the Scott ... ditto for the Denon AVR-2400, the 
>> Pioneer SX2600 or Yamaha av55 ... all are much better than the Marantz 
>> or Scott that I had as a teen. Much cleaner signal .. no hiss ... oh 
>> well .. apologize for getting the group off topic. I'm going back to 20 
>> with my T-4X / R-4C while the band is still open this afternoon
>> 73
>> Jim
>> WA8SDF
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Dan Cotsirilos K9DTC wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who mocks the "warm" sound of tubes hasn't taken the time to  hear 
>> what the differance is. I use a Scott 299C tube int amp and there  is 
>> nothing solid state made today that I would change it with. When it 
>> comes to high fi they have not equaled the sold of 1960 with solid  state 
>> as yet.
>>
>> Do modern receivers "really" out perform a 1951 Collins R-388? I  haven't 
>> heard one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan K9DTC
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Maples" <dsmaples at comcast.net>
>> To: "James Barrie" <barrie at cinci.rr.com>; "Drake Listserver ( QTH.NET  )" 
>> <drake at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Drake] Tubes???
>>
>>
>>> James: There really is something behind the "warm sound".  A typical
>>> vacuum-tube push-pull Class B transformer-coupled output stage will 
>>> generate
>>> even harmonics, which are pleasing to the ear.  The early solid-state
>>> complementary-symmetry amplifiers, on the other hand, generated 
>>> odd-harmonic
>>> energy (which is irritating to the ear).
>>>
>>> For what it's worth.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dave WB4FUR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of James Barrie
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:33 PM
>>> To: Drake Listserver ( QTH.NET )
>>> Subject: Re: [Drake] Tubes???
>>>
>>>
>>> I have yet to have anyone tell me what "warm sound of tubes" really
>>> sounds like ...
>>> Is  it the muffled, muddy sounds that were typical of the time? You
>>> know... poor dynamic range....
>>> Or is it  just someone making up hype to move tubes that they were
>>> otherwise stuck with?
>>> And did they go on to found Monster Cable?
>>>  LOL
>>> Jim
>>> WA8SDF
>>>
>>> On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:14 PM, k6xyz wrote:
>>>
>>> You are only half right.....yes , the phools have kited the prices and
>>> any
>>> one of these tubes will work well in amateur service....however, there
>>> is a
>>> big, big difference in sound once you start to play music through them.
>>> Some
>>> tube brands are no good at all for music....some are excellent.
>>> That's a fact.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Dave Harmon
>>> CCA 97-535
>>> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
>>> Sperry, Ok.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:drake-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Glen Zook
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:21 PM
>>> To: Dan Bolander; drake at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Drake] Tubes???
>>>
>>> The audiophools have gone "ape" over the 12AX7 tubes
>>> and they run all over the place in prices due to their
>>> "desirablility" to those persons.
>>>
>>> Frankly, the cheapest 12AX7 should work just as well
>>> as the most expensive, especially in any amateur radio
>>> unit.  If you want my opinion, like 99.999% of the
>>> audiophools cannot really tell the difference in the
>>> performance between any of the 12AX7 tubes.  It is
>>> just that they have been "told" that one brand is
>>> better than another or that one element configuration
>>> is better than another.
>>>
>>> Glen, K9STH
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Dan Bolander <wb9tyt at cybrzn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I went to "TubeDepot site and checked the prices of
>>> all the tubes in the R4B and got a shock when I looked
>>> at the selection and prices for a 12AX7!!! There must
>>> be about 15 or more different prices. My question is,
>>> which tube is the best one for this application?? Most
>>> mention use in a guitar amp or some other amplifier..
>>>
>>> What say, which one is the right one and where might
>>> be the best place to get these tubes???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Glen, K9STH
>>>
>>> Website:  http://k9sth.com
>>>
>>>
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