[Boatanchors] Ebay problems

[Carl]

I agree but it should be a coordinated effort, not from individuals, 
many of whom are not exactly wrapped too tight......
A lawsuit at the same time is a plus.

Carl


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Forster" <jfor at quik.com>
To: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
Cc: "EP Swynar" <gswynar at durham.net>; "Dave Mayfield" 
<laptop at gwltd.com>; "Harold Smith" <w0rihps at sbcglobal.net>; 
"Boatanchors" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Ebay problems


> Frankly, I see little hope in complaining to eBay or PayPal. IMO, the 
> best
> approach is through the governmental agencies:
>
> FTC on restraint of trade
> and
> Congress on the issues of PayPal being effectively an unregulated 
> monetary
> system w/ few to no safeguards for rights.
>
> FWIW,
> -John
>
> ================
>
> Carl wrote:
>
>> Ebay is no longer a Wall Street darling which is why the mother cow 
>> was
>> put out to pasture and a new CEO brought in by the Street.
>>
>> Buyers were leaving was the excuse given for the new changes. Yes, a 
>> lot
>> of idiots were leaving after they were either too stupid to 
>> understand
>> what they were buying and got negative FB in return from a frustrated
>> seller OR they were trying to pull scams of their own.
>>
>> Sellers have never had any recourse against Ebay ( or PayPal) and FB 
>> was
>> their only way to vent. Only a few bad sellers were used to try and
>> establish reason for change when in truth the percentage of good 
>> sellers
>> is larger than good buyers.
>>
>> I had a good friend on the Power Sellers direct hotline in Salt Lake
>> City for many years who gave me a lot of inside info. He finally 
>> couldnt
>> take the outright dishonesty and lies that he was told to tell 
>> sellers
>> and being a good Mormon finally quit last month in disgust.
>>
>> My Ebay experiences since 1998 have been all downhill since around
>> 2002-3.
>>
>> With sellers being the goose that gives the gold to Ebay I see a dark
>> future for both.
>>
>> I will gladly support anything that brings both Ebay and PayPal to 
>> their
>> knees and hopefully with a multi million dollar class action law 
>> suit.
>>
>> Carl
>> KM1H
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "EP Swynar" <gswynar at durham.net>
>> To: "Dave Mayfield" <laptop at gwltd.com>; "Harold Smith"
>> <w0rihps at sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: "Boatanchors" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Ebay problems
>>
>> > Hi Dave,
>> >
>> > As the old saying goes, "...to everything there is a time..."
>> >
>> > I would venture to say that the bloom is now off of the eBay rose, 
>> > and
>> > while
>> > I agree that it's a GREAT venue to find & buy things not otherwise
>> > easily
>> > located, the SELLERS of these collectable tidbits are only human,
>> > too ---
>> > sooner or later they'll surely tire of all the B.S., and drop out 
>> > as
>> > well...
>> >
>> > Why couldn't eBay have simply left well enough alone? I noticed 
>> > that
>> > in the
>> > infrequent times that I'd want to sell something there, I had to go
>> > through
>> > an entirely new learning process each & every time. It was
>> > frustrating, and
>> > maddening, both. Why tamper with what works...?
>> >
>> > My feeling is that things are NOT so rosey in eBay land anymore ---  
>> > I
>> > receive what seems like WEEKLY beseechments from them to take
>> > advantage of
>> > "no fee" Canadian listing bargaining days, etc. etc. etc. I just 
>> > treat
>> > such
>> > appeals like so much junk mail, & simply delete them...my credit 
>> > card
>> > info
>> > with them expired in February, too, & I haven't bothered to
>> > re-register,
>> > either.
>> >
>> > I guess I'm just waiting for the next "big thing" to come along to
>> > replace
>> > eBay, so that I might P & M about it! Hi Hi.
>> >
>> > ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
>> >
>> >
>> > ****************************************
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Mayfield" <laptop at gwltd.com>
>> > To: "Harold Smith" <w0rihps at sbcglobal.net>
>> > Cc: "Boatanchors" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>; <sales at ebay.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:35 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Ebay problems
>> >
>> >
>> >> Harold, you are one of very few in the E-bay world. I too bought 
>> >> and
>> >> sold on E-bay and for longer than you. I started in 98 and I have
>> >> finally canceled my account this past spring. I won't take my time 
>> >> to
>> >> tell you the whole story but it goes like this. Scams, scams, 
>> >> scams,
>> >> I've never been bit by a scam, but I've had to relist items. Last
>> >> winter
>> >> I was selling my S-line station. It took me three months to 
>> >> finally
>> >> sell
>> >> it. Because of many things such as E-bay rules. They pulled my ad
>> >> once
>> >> because I said in the ad "No Pay Pal" Then two or three times 
>> >> people
>> >> would bid on the items then after the auction was over E-bay would
>> >> cancel the bids, saying that someones e-bay id was stolen and 
>> >> these
>> >> were
>> >> false bids and on and on and on. E-bay has gotten to the point I 
>> >> feel
>> >> it's not usable. One last word. E-bay could care less about all 
>> >> this.
>> >> When I wrote to them about all the trouble they just send a pre
>> >> canned
>> >> automated response filled with nothing. Then when I canceled my
>> >> account
>> >> they care so less they don't even ask you why? can we do something 
>> >> to
>> >> help? nothing.
>> >>
>> >> Dave W9WRL
>> >>
>> >> Harold Smith wrote:
>> >> > Lloyd:
>> >> >
>> >> > What is your problem with Ebay??
>> >> >
>> >> > I have used their service for many years, actually 9 years. I 
>> >> > have
>> >> > never had any problems, either buying or selling.
>> >> > My feedback score is over 1100.
>> >> >
>> >> > I do follow their policies and it works fine for me. Yes, they 
>> >> > do
>> >> > have
>> >> > charges to sell but not to buy.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have bought and sold items from all over the world,  US$5.00 
>> >> > to
>> >> > US$8000 and all their transactions were smooth.
>> >> >
>> >> > Complaint????????????????????
>> >> >
>> >> > Please tell ME.
>> >> >
>> >> > Harold Smith.......W0RI
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I just got off the phone with the Federal Trade Commission.
>> >> >> They want to hear from you.
>> >> >> You can file a complaint by calling
>> >> >> 1-877-382-4357
>> >> >> or go to their web site
>> >> >> www.ftc.gov
>> >> >> home page---quick find---consumer complaints.
>> >> >> Stand up and shout. I understand it does not take many voices 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> make
>> >> >> them pay attention,
>> >> >> after all they have to justify their existence.
>> >> >> Scream, shout, jump up and down. Do something besides complain.
>> >> >> Pass this on to any reflector you can.
>> >> >> And I dam well got 'nads 'nuf to sign my name to it.
>> >> >> Thanx
>> >> >> Lloyd  KK7IZ
>> >> >> kk7iz at cox.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>      Dave W9WRL
>> >>  www.w9wrl.com/w9wrl
>> >>
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