[Boatanchors] Ebay problems

[J Forster]

Frankly, I see little hope in complaining to eBay or PayPal. IMO, the best
approach is through the governmental agencies:

FTC on restraint of trade
and
Congress on the issues of PayPal being effectively an unregulated monetary
system w/ few to no safeguards for rights.

FWIW,
-John

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Carl wrote:

> Ebay is no longer a Wall Street darling which is why the mother cow was
> put out to pasture and a new CEO brought in by the Street.
>
> Buyers were leaving was the excuse given for the new changes. Yes, a lot
> of idiots were leaving after they were either too stupid to understand
> what they were buying and got negative FB in return from a frustrated
> seller OR they were trying to pull scams of their own.
>
> Sellers have never had any recourse against Ebay ( or PayPal) and FB was
> their only way to vent. Only a few bad sellers were used to try and
> establish reason for change when in truth the percentage of good sellers
> is larger than good buyers.
>
> I had a good friend on the Power Sellers direct hotline in Salt Lake
> City for many years who gave me a lot of inside info. He finally couldnt
> take the outright dishonesty and lies that he was told to tell sellers
> and being a good Mormon finally quit last month in disgust.
>
> My Ebay experiences since 1998 have been all downhill since around
> 2002-3.
>
> With sellers being the goose that gives the gold to Ebay I see a dark
> future for both.
>
> I will gladly support anything that brings both Ebay and PayPal to their
> knees and hopefully with a multi million dollar class action law suit.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "EP Swynar" <gswynar at durham.net>
> To: "Dave Mayfield" <laptop at gwltd.com>; "Harold Smith"
> <w0rihps at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Boatanchors" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Ebay problems
>
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > As the old saying goes, "...to everything there is a time..."
> >
> > I would venture to say that the bloom is now off of the eBay rose, and
> > while
> > I agree that it's a GREAT venue to find & buy things not otherwise
> > easily
> > located, the SELLERS of these collectable tidbits are only human,
> > too ---
> > sooner or later they'll surely tire of all the B.S., and drop out as
> > well...
> >
> > Why couldn't eBay have simply left well enough alone? I noticed that
> > in the
> > infrequent times that I'd want to sell something there, I had to go
> > through
> > an entirely new learning process each & every time. It was
> > frustrating, and
> > maddening, both. Why tamper with what works...?
> >
> > My feeling is that things are NOT so rosey in eBay land anymore --- I
> > receive what seems like WEEKLY beseechments from them to take
> > advantage of
> > "no fee" Canadian listing bargaining days, etc. etc. etc. I just treat
> > such
> > appeals like so much junk mail, & simply delete them...my credit card
> > info
> > with them expired in February, too, & I haven't bothered to
> > re-register,
> > either.
> >
> > I guess I'm just waiting for the next "big thing" to come along to
> > replace
> > eBay, so that I might P & M about it! Hi Hi.
> >
> > ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
> >
> >
> > ****************************************
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Mayfield" <laptop at gwltd.com>
> > To: "Harold Smith" <w0rihps at sbcglobal.net>
> > Cc: "Boatanchors" <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>; <sales at ebay.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Ebay problems
> >
> >
> >> Harold, you are one of very few in the E-bay world. I too bought and
> >> sold on E-bay and for longer than you. I started in 98 and I have
> >> finally canceled my account this past spring. I won't take my time to
> >> tell you the whole story but it goes like this. Scams, scams, scams,
> >> I've never been bit by a scam, but I've had to relist items. Last
> >> winter
> >> I was selling my S-line station. It took me three months to finally
> >> sell
> >> it. Because of many things such as E-bay rules. They pulled my ad
> >> once
> >> because I said in the ad "No Pay Pal" Then two or three times people
> >> would bid on the items then after the auction was over E-bay would
> >> cancel the bids, saying that someones e-bay id was stolen and these
> >> were
> >> false bids and on and on and on. E-bay has gotten to the point I feel
> >> it's not usable. One last word. E-bay could care less about all this.
> >> When I wrote to them about all the trouble they just send a pre
> >> canned
> >> automated response filled with nothing. Then when I canceled my
> >> account
> >> they care so less they don't even ask you why? can we do something to
> >> help? nothing.
> >>
> >> Dave W9WRL
> >>
> >> Harold Smith wrote:
> >> > Lloyd:
> >> >
> >> > What is your problem with Ebay??
> >> >
> >> > I have used their service for many years, actually 9 years. I have
> >> > never had any problems, either buying or selling.
> >> > My feedback score is over 1100.
> >> >
> >> > I do follow their policies and it works fine for me. Yes, they do
> >> > have
> >> > charges to sell but not to buy.
> >> >
> >> > I have bought and sold items from all over the world,  US$5.00 to
> >> > US$8000 and all their transactions were smooth.
> >> >
> >> > Complaint????????????????????
> >> >
> >> > Please tell ME.
> >> >
> >> > Harold Smith.......W0RI
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I just got off the phone with the Federal Trade Commission.
> >> >> They want to hear from you.
> >> >> You can file a complaint by calling
> >> >> 1-877-382-4357
> >> >> or go to their web site
> >> >> www.ftc.gov
> >> >> home page---quick find---consumer complaints.
> >> >> Stand up and shout. I understand it does not take many voices to
> >> >> make
> >> >> them pay attention,
> >> >> after all they have to justify their existence.
> >> >> Scream, shout, jump up and down. Do something besides complain.
> >> >> Pass this on to any reflector you can.
> >> >> And I dam well got 'nads 'nuf to sign my name to it.
> >> >> Thanx
> >> >> Lloyd  KK7IZ
> >> >> kk7iz at cox.net
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >>      Dave W9WRL
> >>  www.w9wrl.com/w9wrl
> >>
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