[Boatanchors] Well, that got me banned immediately

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:25:53 -0400

If the recent discussion about the SX-115 on eBay violated the rules, the
rules need to be changed.

Seems like everyone is forgetting that the original post which included the
link was NOT from the seller, was NOT intended to make a profit, and was NOT
encouraging anyone to USE eBay.  If fact, it was the opposite.

There was no attempt by the poster to profit in any way from posting the
eBay link.

If you can't discuss the occasional boatanchor on eBay that is "exceptional"
in some respect (price, rarity, etc.), then you are missing a large portion
of the boatanchors still in circulation.

The link here to the SX-115 on eBay needs to be put into context.  You can't
have a discussion about something unless you are able to identify it, and
that's why the link was posted.  In my opinion, that particular SX-115 was
worth discussing simply because of it's price, no matter where it was
offered for sale.

Remember, when you say "always" or "never," you are probably going to eat
those words someday.

Bert N8NN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF " <[email protected]>
To: "Grant Youngman" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Well, that got me banned immediately

> Tom was 'not' removed.
>
> Simply put: EBAY is a for profit business. Those who use it pay EBAY.
Those who
> use it profit. Which is fine. Those who use these lists seldom contribute
a cent
> to support them, Al Waller, K3TKJ owns them and he works his butt off to
keep
> them operating. Did you ever have to come up with the cash to pay for
multiple
> T1 lines? You sure can't run these lists with a cable modem people. A
million
> pieces of traffic per day, that is the reality.
>
> Those who post links to an electronic auction here support EBAY, put money
in
> their pocket, how does Al benefit? Do they send him a percentage? No. Do
they
> donate to support the lists that made them money? Rarely. The lists were
never
> intended to be a mean sby which Hams could profit by misuse. A Ham could
sell
> his/her items, as in 'personal' items, on these lists. It was not meant
for a
> business to sell and use them for free advertising or for supporting
electronic
> auctions.
>
> That is the basis for my no EBAY links policy. I am not opposed to EBAY.
That is
> not the issue. The issue is not using these lists to further the cause of
EBAY,
> or 'ANY' other auction, at Al Waller's expense and of the subscribers. If
I
> allow one link, soon it is two, three and before long, the whole list is a
big
> EBAY commercial. So people, we are not going there.
>
> If that offends some, too bad. Al Waller actually has a list for such EBAY
> stuff, why don't you go use it?
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>
>
> ----------
> From: Grant Youngman <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Well, that got me banned immediately
> Date: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:30 AM
>
> Based on similar happenings in the past and the inevitable follow-on
> discussion, I think the rule is set down by the owner/operator of
> QTH.net.  It's his, he can set whatever rules he wants.  Duane done
> a good job of moderating these lists ...  on this is simply the
> messenger.
>
> That said, on other lists without such draconian rules I've never
> seen a problem with overwhelming postings regarding items or
> activites taking place at unmentionable websites.  So one could
> wonder what all the stink is really about .. and why someone would
> have their head bashed for one post, when a simple warning or
> notice would most likely take care of the problem without generating
> such unnecessary bad feelings.  Nonetheless, it is what it is.
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
> > someone give me the unsubscribe info please.
> >
> > i do not have time for bs or overlords.
> >
> > to the many fine people i have met on this list, nice to meet you
> and
> > i will miss you.
> >
> > mike ku4yp
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "W1EOF" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:04 AM
> > Subject: [Boatanchors] Well, that got me banned immediately
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I have found some of Duanes decisions to be different from
> what I
> > > would make. I would even go so far as to say "different from the
> > > norm."
> > However...
> > >
> > > It's *his* list, his rules, and totally up to him how to run it. If
> > > you don't like how his, or any other list is run then it's pretty
> > > darn simple
> > to
> > > avoid it. Or start one of your own.
> > >
> > > That said, I've decided to unsub the QTH:boatanchor list. I don't
> > > have anything against Duane personally, but there is just too
> much
> > > controversy. For me it's simple math: What I get out of
> something vs
> > > what I have to put out (or up-with). In this case a friend is
> > > banished for the first
> > occurence
> > > of violating a rule that is from what I can see, unpublished. Other
> > > people also commented on the same subject, violating the rule.
> They
> > > are not (to
> > my
> > > knowledge) banned. Too hard for me to figure out.
> > >
> > > It's a small example of a free market, and it works. Pretty
> simple.
> > >
> > > Bye to all on the QTH boatanchor list.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Mark W1EOF
> > >
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