[ARC5] B-17 Crash Near Hartford CT

Thu Oct 3 11:37:09 EDT 2019

>> Well, I think that “better maintained than most airliners” is a push!

I would agree Francesco.

FAA Part 91 is basically private non-for-hire flying.
FAA Part 135  is for unscheduled (for hire) charter operations.
FAA Part 121 is for schedule (for hire) operations -- airlines.

Warbirds that provides rides typically operate under the Part 91 "Living
History Flight Experience" regulation that is supposed to bring these
flights close to Part 135 standards.

73 Mark K3MSB

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 11:14 AM <frledda at att.net> wrote:

> Well, I think that “better maintained than most airliners” is a push!
> Commercial aviation has a good safety record, and airlines have access to
> plenty of supply of new and zero time parts,  modern maintenance processes
> and better designed aircraft.
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> Try to maintain a 40+ year aircraft and will find out that parts are hard
> to come by and expertise as well.
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> An aircraft should not crash when an engine goes bad. Few questions come
> to mind: was it refueled with 100LL or Jet fuel by mistake? Was the pilot
> capable to manage an emergency? What else we do not know.
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> I fly a twin few times a week, and I religiously review the engine failure
> checklist every time.  I know that there is portion of my takeoff that can
> lead to disaster, if an engine fails and if I am not on top 100%!
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> I am concerned about a possible overreaction of the FAA to this crash.  My
> understanding is that the FAA and USAF do not want any warbirds flying, and
> they may use this opportunity to tight the screws.
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> Best, Francesco K5URG
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> *From:* arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net <arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On
> Behalf Of *CARL HUETHER
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:55 AM
> *To:* Mkdorney <mkdorney at aol.com>; Mkdorney via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>;
> Mike Bracey <mikebracey at att.net>
> *Cc:* hwhall at compuserve.com
> *Subject:* Re: [ARC5] B-17 Crash Near Hartford CT
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> I couldnt have said it better Mark, thank you.
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> As far as the very few self centered whiners who didnt like my post: Tuff
> S***
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> BTW, I have a strong religious tolerance but not when used as a weapon to
> support a disgusting viewpoint.
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> Nuff said, subject over.
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> Carl
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> On October 2, 2019 at 9:50 PM Mkdorney via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
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> Aircraft are made and built to be flown.  The crew of that B-17 were
> passionate about is, and we are privileged to be able to witness the fruits
> of that passion.  As Americans, we are not inherently a timid people , and
> hopefully will never become timid. The people aboard that B-17 were
> certainly not timid. Any time an older aircraft is involved in any
> incident, the naysayers seem to pop out of the woodwork, decrying the
> continued use of these aircraft, claiming that as long as these aircraft
> are aloud to fly, because of their age, it in inevitable that they will
> crash. That is pure, unadulterated Bullshit. These aircraft are better
> maintained than most modern airliners. We don’t know what caused this
> crash. Preliminary reports do not indicated equipment failure. What we do
> know is that accidents happen, for whatever reason. They happen to new and
> old aircraft. They just make a bigger headline if there is anything
> special, including age, involved in any accident. There are aircraft of
> this type that are maintained as static display pieces in museums, where
> the general public is permitted to look at them only from the outside, at a
> distance. Thank God for those who believe otherwise. We should rightfully
> mourn the loss of life and be saddened by the loss of the aircraft. We
> should do everything possible short of grounding all remaining examples of
> the aircraft to see that this does not happen again. Aircraft are meant to
> be flown
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> Mark D
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> “In matters of style, float with the current. In matters of Principle,
> stand like a rock. “.   -   Thomas Jefferson
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 2, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Mike Bracey < mikebracey at att.net> wrote:
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> It had been prepared for a ferry flight to the restoration facility.
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> Mike
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> KE5YTV
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> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 4:27:14 PM CDT, hwhall at compuserve.com <
> hwhall at compuserve.com> wrote:
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> Saw that film.  But it was not really "restored."  They'd made it barely
> flyable.
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> Wayne
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: kn7sfz < kn7sfz at gmail.com>
> To: arc5 < arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 2:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [ARC5] B-17 Crash Near Hartford CT
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> Anyone remember the sad story of the B-29 Kee Bird that was lost right
> after restoration due to a loose APU in the tail?
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> I can still picture those guys sitting there watching it burn to the
> ground after putting in so many man hours to get it flying again.....sigh...
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> Richard kn7sfz
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> On 10/2/2019 11:59 AM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
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>    We don't know yet and may not know for some time what caused the crash.
> An eye witness in one news account stated that one of the engines was
> sputtering and smoke was coming out the back. Presumably he meant the back
> of the engine. Too early to know anything definite. Since this aircraft was
> operating as a commercial venture and carried passengers for revenue I
> would presume it had to meet many modern standards for safety. I wonder if
> anyone actually knows. Did it carry a CVR and black box? It may be months
> before a definitive NTSB report is available.
>    One news report stated it crashed into a de-icing facility.
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