[AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
w4ron at carolina.rr.com
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Thu Nov 10 14:11:06 EST 2011
>
> 1. Re: Ebs Test failure (Todd, KA1KAQ)
I heard it on several services here near Charlotte.
The clean up crew was working in the display room andhad they
heard it on one of our local FM stations.
I had the tv on being fed my Time Warner Cable
I had programed the DVR to start recording at
13:58 until about 14:10.
At 14:00 the cable box switched itself to their
EBS channel.
I was sorta surprised that the NOAA weather radio didn't
sound off.
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> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:02:33 -0500
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
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> Worked well here in NC. I'm just north of Raleigh, and heard it on
> numerous AM stations as well as several FM stations and the local TV
> station WRAL carried it as well. Only the cable/satellite TV and some
> FM stations carrying national programming seem to have dropped the
> ball here, if they were even required to participate. Of course, many
> of our local AM stations are still independently owned and local
> market-oriented.
>
> Not that it makes me feel any safer. We have far bigger problems with
> respect to our security than the EAS (hasn't been EBS for nearly a
> decade and a half).
>
> ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 (o:
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX
> <wb5oxq at grandecom.net> wrote:
> > ?I expected to hear the test on radio but none of the clearchannel stations which are all but about 2 in our area did anything but continue with normal programming.
> > ?I checked several Dallas area stations that I can receive from 90 miles south and none of them had the test on. ?Only one independent am station KBBW which is a Christian talk station had the test on and the audio was poor. ?I would say it is a miserable failure when the largest station network does not have the test on... I can clearly pick up at least 10 fm and loads of am stations from Central Texas and only 1 am had the test. ?Is this the best our government can do? ?What a joke.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:12:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: BILL GUYGER <bguyger at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
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> Here's what is says in the official FCC document 47 CFR ?11.15 available for a
> limited time with a rich genuine simulated Corinthian Leather binding:
>
> Who Must Participate:Broadcasters, cable television systems, wireless cable
> systems, wireline video providers, satellite
> digital audio radio service providers and direct broadcast satellite service
> providers are defined as EAS
> Participants under Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules (47 CFR ??11.1,
>
> rules require that all EAS Participants install and maintain EAS equipment.
> EAS Participants carry state and local EAS alerts on a voluntary basis and may
> choose not to provide a
> national alert as a Non-participating National (NN) source. However, under FCC
> rules, all EAS
> Participants, including NN sources, are required to participate in tests of the
> EAS. Accordingly, all EAS
> Participants must participate in the November 9, 2011 Nationwide EAS Test.et
> seq.). FCC
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, November 10, 2011 12:02:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
>
> Worked well here in NC. I'm just north of Raleigh, and heard it on
> numerous AM stations as well as several FM stations and the local TV
> station WRAL carried it as well. Only the cable/satellite TV and some
> FM stations carrying national programming seem to have dropped the
> ball here, if they were even required to participate. Of course, many
> of our local AM stations are still independently owned and local
> market-oriented.
>
> Not that it makes me feel any safer. We have far bigger problems with
> respect to our security than the EAS (hasn't been EBS for nearly a
> decade and a half).
>
> ~ Todd,? KA1KAQ/4? (o:
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX
> <wb5oxq at grandecom.net> wrote:
> > ?I expected to hear the test on radio but none of the clearchannel stations
> >which are all but about 2 in our area did anything but continue with normal
> >programming.
> > ?I checked several Dallas area stations that I can receive from 90 miles south
> >and none of them had the test on. ?Only one independent am station KBBW which is
> >a Christian talk station had the test on and the audio was poor. ?I would say it
> >is a miserable failure when the largest station network does not have the test
> >on... I can clearly pick up at least 10 fm and loads of am stations from Central
> >Texas and only 1 am had the test. ?Is this the best our government can do? ?What
> >a joke.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:21:16 -0500
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
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> One place I expected to hear it that was mysteriously quiet was my
> NOAA WX radio. They broadcast everything from severe wx warnings to
> Amber Alerts. Not a peep.
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM, BILL GUYGER <bguyger at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Here's what is says in the official FCC document 47 CFR ?11.15 available for a
> > limited time with a rich genuine simulated Corinthian Leather binding:
> >
> > Who Must Participate:Broadcasters, cable television systems, wireless cable
> > systems, wireline video providers, satellite
> > digital audio radio service providers and direct broadcast satellite service
> > providers are defined as EAS
> > Participants under Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules (47 CFR ??11.1,
> >
> > rules require that all EAS Participants install and maintain EAS equipment.
> > EAS Participants carry state and local EAS alerts on a voluntary basis and may
> > choose not to provide a
> > national alert as a Non-participating National (NN) source. However, under FCC
> > rules, all EAS
> > Participants, including NN sources, are required to participate in tests of the
> > EAS. Accordingly, all EAS
> > Participants must participate in the November 9, 2011 Nationwide EAS Test.et
> > seq.). FCC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:31:16 -0500
> From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
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> The REAL question is:
>
> What would all of us AND the Government have *DONE* - *IF* there was a
> Bona-fide *REAL* National Emergency?
>
> Are we supposed to duck and cover?
>
> There no longer exist the emergency medical supplies that were in every
> designated "Shelter".
>
> Unless someone kept the one found in the chamber on one of the bridges
> going into New York City.
>
> Bob - N0DGN
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:31:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: BILL GUYGER <bguyger at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
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>
> As a follow up, the test WAS a success in that it pointed out how flawed the
> system is. I think FEMA / DHS expected this and will use it for justification
> for a do over.?Will "they" get it right next time........stay tuned!
>
> As a broadcaster, I can't wait to see if what they come up with will mean we
> have to throw out the new EAS / CAP decoders we just had to buy to be compliant
> with Common Alerting Protocol which is an extension of EAS with long form text
> and even pictures of?what is causing the alert to be issued?or the missing
> child, or the terrorist, or the zombies?etc.
>
> Bill AD5OL
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, November 10, 2011 12:02:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
>
> Worked well here in NC. I'm just north of Raleigh, and heard it on
> numerous AM stations as well as several FM stations and the local TV
> station WRAL carried it as well. Only the cable/satellite TV and some
> FM stations carrying national programming seem to have dropped the
> ball here, if they were even required to participate. Of course, many
> of our local AM stations are still independently owned and local
> market-oriented.
>
> Not that it makes me feel any safer. We have far bigger problems with
> respect to our security than the EAS (hasn't been EBS for nearly a
> decade and a half).
>
> ~ Todd,? KA1KAQ/4? (o:
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX
> <wb5oxq at grandecom.net> wrote:
> > ?I expected to hear the test on radio but none of the clearchannel stations
> >which are all but about 2 in our area did anything but continue with normal
> >programming.
> > ?I checked several Dallas area stations that I can receive from 90 miles south
> >and none of them had the test on. ?Only one independent am station KBBW which is
> >a Christian talk station had the test on and the audio was poor. ?I would say it
> >is a miserable failure when the largest station network does not have the test
> >on... I can clearly pick up at least 10 fm and loads of am stations from Central
> >Texas and only 1 am had the test. ?Is this the best our government can do? ?What
> >a joke.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:34:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: BILL GUYGER <bguyger at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
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> It says explicitly in the FCC document that I quoted from, about who must
> carry,?that NOAA will not carry the test.
>
> Bill AD5OL
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, November 10, 2011 12:21:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
>
> One place I expected to hear it that was mysteriously quiet was my
> NOAA WX radio. They broadcast everything from severe wx warnings to
> Amber Alerts. Not a peep.
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM, BILL GUYGER <bguyger at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Here's what is says in the official FCC document 47 CFR ?11.15 available for a
> > limited time with a rich genuine simulated Corinthian Leather binding:
> >
> > Who Must Participate:Broadcasters, cable television systems, wireless cable
> > systems, wireline video providers, satellite
> > digital audio radio service providers and direct broadcast satellite service
> > providers are defined as EAS
> > Participants under Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules (47 CFR
> >??11.1,
> >
> > rules require that all EAS Participants install and maintain EAS equipment.
> > EAS Participants carry state and local EAS alerts on a voluntary basis and may
> > choose not to provide a
> > national alert as a Non-participating National (NN) source. However, under FCC
> > rules, all EAS
> > Participants, including NN sources, are required to participate in tests of
> the
> > EAS. Accordingly, all EAS
> > Participants must participate in the November 9, 2011 Nationwide EAS Test.et
> > seq.). FCC
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:56:18 -0600
> From: Robert Nickels <ranickel at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
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> On 11/10/2011 12:31 PM, BILL GUYGER wrote:
> > As a broadcaster, I can't wait to see if what they come up with will mean we
> > have to throw out the new EAS / CAP decoders we just had to buy
> Bill - first, thanks for sharing what happened. I suspect we can guess
> the answer to your question will be "yes", or at least an upgrade (which
> I'm sure the feds will pay for, right?)
>
> For those of use who have been away from the industry for years or
> decades, I wonder if you can describe the extent to which the EAS of
> today is dependent on infrastructure, e.g. the internet. I'm just
> guessing that they used the analog POTS for the audio was due to its
> greater survivability - otherwise they could have probably just emailed
> an MP3 file to every station ;-)
>
> As everyone moves toward infrastructure-dependent communications
> (internet, VoIP, and all the "Gs" of cellular) is the EAS still capable
> of operating if all that infrastructure isn't available?
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:01:02 -0500
> From: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac at arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ebs Test failure
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
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> > "As a follow up, the test WAS a success in that it pointed out how flawed
> > the
> system is."
>
> In the future, the flaws will only mutate and reappear in different forms.
> All a national test shows is performance at a point in time. System
> operability among U.S. stations is not static. Equipment is moved
> periodically with studio upgrades, people change jobs leaving internal
> systems undocumented, procedures-training isn't a high priority -- *until*
> the station is cited for non-compliance, equipment is not maintained at
> periodic intervals, etc. A departure from this is the emphasis and priority
> that public stations (i.e., your NPR & PBS member stations) place on
> notification as they generally take EAS much more seriously than that of
> commercial stations.
>
> I think we're expecting too much from what will always be a non-cohesive
> system among thousands of individual stations and their owners, each of whom
> place greater or lesser degrees of interest in EAS as time moves on. The
> way I see it, far too much emphasis today is placed in the hands of
> broadcasters. Radio and TV is now facing declining listener/viewership as
> wide-area, network-distributed IP wireless technology marches on.
> Notification to the public should be driven toward portable devices like
> cell/smart phones, with broadcasters remaining involved, but the public
> should not have to depend on its fractured "system" for emergency
> notification. In its present form it's a system in name only.
>
> The telco industry was one of the first to embrace standardization
> practices. Broadcasters have been dragged into standardization and they
> don't cope well. I was DOE for a multi-station group in the '80s and early
> '90s. To me, the logical choice is to give the wireless/cell industry the
> opportunity to lead and succeed. They have the wherewithal and resources to
> standardize on equipment, maintenance, training, procedures and the "know
> how" to deliver reliably. While the wireless industry does not yet have
> 100% penetration across America, nor 100% reliability, the broadcasters'
> involvement should be limited to filling in the gaps.
>
> Paul, W9AC
>
>
>
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