[AMRadio] SPAM/Bounces

Mon Oct 18 23:06:40 EDT 2010

FB OM.

ISPs, email account providers, etc. are like automobiles. For every person that swears by one brand name there is another that swears at it.

No problem Brian, but it looks like Todd has gone into meltdown mode.

N4VGB
Mack Rogers

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, W5AMI <ars.w5ami at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: W5AMI <ars.w5ami at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] SPAM/Bounces
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 6:48 PM
> Mack,
> 
> I don't intend for this subject to become a discussion on
> this list.  You
> have the freedom to do what you want otherwise, and I will
> not argue with
> you about gmail, yahoo, etc.  It's just that I am
> tired of replying to all
> the emails I've been getting about the list seeing email to
> their accounts
> getting bounced.  I don't make money doing any of
> this, and sure don't
> expect to have to argue with anyone about a problem that I
> did not create.
>  Take it or leave it...
> 
> Oh yeah,  I do not have interest in GMAIL!!! 
> I've just used it since it's
> beginning, and happen to NOT have problems with it, but I
> might be the
> exception.  Geeze!
> 
> Brian / w5ami
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Mack Rogers <n4vgb at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Well Todd, it is if you use facebook. That's a sure
> fire way for your
> > contacts to receive spam that appears to be coming
> from you personally, as
> > my wife has discovered 2 times the hard way. Both
> times facebook claimed her
> > account had been hacked, pure BS.
> >
> > I had a gmail account years ago and abandoned it's use
> because 90% of what
> > I received there was spam and I got fed up.
> >
> > Brian seemed to be addressing the "bounce back" of
> emails problem that is
> > caused by too many recepients flagging emails as spam
> from the server that
> > this email reflector resides on. That problem is not a
> security issue that
> > any service provider can help you to resolve. Some
> service providers pursue
> > the problem of spam in much too aggressive a manner
> and end up blocking
> > emails that are legitimate, just because they
> originate from the same server
> > source. That is why I never flag any emails from any
> of the ham radio email
> > reflectors as being spam, even those that are indeed
> spam.
> >
> > I don't believe for a second that google (gmail)
> spends any more time or
> > money on their security than yahoo or any other
> service provider. They're
> > all in business to make money and spend no more than
> is necessary.
> >
> > "Hijacking" an email account is not as easy as you
> make it sound Todd and
> > few hackers would pursue such a venture since there is
> no profit involved.
> > None of the spam I've received from any of the ham
> radio based email
> > reflectors has come from any email address that I
> recognize as being one of
> > the legitimate and long time users. Most email
> accounts are "hacked"
> > perfectly legally via not so knowledgeable users
> signing up on "social
> > networking" websites that if they had taken time to
> read the license
> > agreement they wouldn't have signed up and allowed all
> their info to be
> > downloaded by websites that then use their email
> account for spamming
> > purposes. The only true spam I've received has always
> originated from a new
> > list/group user that only signed up for the purpose of
> spamming and I don't
> > recall any spam originating from this email reflector
> at all???
> >
> > I know the "bounce back" and "blocked" problem is a
> big one for
> > administrators of any email reflector but I don't
> believe for a second that
> > all subscribers on any of the ham radio email
> reflectors moving to gmail
> > will instantly solve for you.
> >
> > In fact, if you guys deem it necessary for all to have
> a gmail account,
> > I'll just have to wave bye-bye.
> >
> > N4VGB
> > Mack Rogers
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] SPAM/Bounces
> > > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur
> Service" <
> > amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 3:31 PM
> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Mack
> > > Rogers <n4vgb at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > How is it you believe gmail can stop
> spammers from
> > > joining the various ham radio email reflectors
> and control
> > > this situation?
> > >
> > > They don't have to join, they simply hijack an
> email
> > > account and send
> > > to the addresses in it, Mack. Gmail just does an
> excellent
> > > job of
> > > handling *spam* sent to my account and other
> gmail users.
> > > Far better
> > > than hotmail, yahoo, or any other freemail I've
> used
> > > before.
> > >
> > > > It's just way too easy for spammers to join
> the
> > > various ham radio user groups and gather the
> email adresses
> > > of hundreds or thousands of users in a very short
> length of
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Well, that may be true of some, but unless they
> are set
> > > for
> > > auto-subscribe with no vetting, it's not as
> simple as just
> > > signing up.
> > > I can assure you that members joining here are
> thoroughly
> > > checked
> > > before they are allowed to subscribe, we have to
> approve
> > > each
> > > membership. Seldom will one slip through and when
> they do,
> > > it's
> > > usually just some idiot troll looking to cause
> trouble
> > > rather than a
> > > spammer. Rather than waste the effort, they just
> take over
> > > address
> > > books and access groups with addresses that are
> already
> > > registered
> > > members.
> > >
> > > So, it's not as simple as you suggest.
> > >
> > > ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
> > >
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