[AMRadio] SPAM/Bounces

Mon Oct 18 18:48:16 EDT 2010

Mack,

I don't intend for this subject to become a discussion on this list.  You
have the freedom to do what you want otherwise, and I will not argue with
you about gmail, yahoo, etc.  It's just that I am tired of replying to all
the emails I've been getting about the list seeing email to their accounts
getting bounced.  I don't make money doing any of this, and sure don't
expect to have to argue with anyone about a problem that I did not create.
 Take it or leave it...

Oh yeah,  I do not have interest in GMAIL!!!  I've just used it since it's
beginning, and happen to NOT have problems with it, but I might be the
exception.  Geeze!

Brian / w5ami

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Mack Rogers <n4vgb at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well Todd, it is if you use facebook. That's a sure fire way for your
> contacts to receive spam that appears to be coming from you personally, as
> my wife has discovered 2 times the hard way. Both times facebook claimed her
> account had been hacked, pure BS.
>
> I had a gmail account years ago and abandoned it's use because 90% of what
> I received there was spam and I got fed up.
>
> Brian seemed to be addressing the "bounce back" of emails problem that is
> caused by too many recepients flagging emails as spam from the server that
> this email reflector resides on. That problem is not a security issue that
> any service provider can help you to resolve. Some service providers pursue
> the problem of spam in much too aggressive a manner and end up blocking
> emails that are legitimate, just because they originate from the same server
> source. That is why I never flag any emails from any of the ham radio email
> reflectors as being spam, even those that are indeed spam.
>
> I don't believe for a second that google (gmail) spends any more time or
> money on their security than yahoo or any other service provider. They're
> all in business to make money and spend no more than is necessary.
>
> "Hijacking" an email account is not as easy as you make it sound Todd and
> few hackers would pursue such a venture since there is no profit involved.
> None of the spam I've received from any of the ham radio based email
> reflectors has come from any email address that I recognize as being one of
> the legitimate and long time users. Most email accounts are "hacked"
> perfectly legally via not so knowledgeable users signing up on "social
> networking" websites that if they had taken time to read the license
> agreement they wouldn't have signed up and allowed all their info to be
> downloaded by websites that then use their email account for spamming
> purposes. The only true spam I've received has always originated from a new
> list/group user that only signed up for the purpose of spamming and I don't
> recall any spam originating from this email reflector at all???
>
> I know the "bounce back" and "blocked" problem is a big one for
> administrators of any email reflector but I don't believe for a second that
> all subscribers on any of the ham radio email reflectors moving to gmail
> will instantly solve for you.
>
> In fact, if you guys deem it necessary for all to have a gmail account,
> I'll just have to wave bye-bye.
>
> N4VGB
> Mack Rogers
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] SPAM/Bounces
> > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <
> amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 3:31 PM
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Mack
> > Rogers <n4vgb at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > How is it you believe gmail can stop spammers from
> > joining the various ham radio email reflectors and control
> > this situation?
> >
> > They don't have to join, they simply hijack an email
> > account and send
> > to the addresses in it, Mack. Gmail just does an excellent
> > job of
> > handling *spam* sent to my account and other gmail users.
> > Far better
> > than hotmail, yahoo, or any other freemail I've used
> > before.
> >
> > > It's just way too easy for spammers to join the
> > various ham radio user groups and gather the email adresses
> > of hundreds or thousands of users in a very short length of
> > time.
> >
> > Well, that may be true of some, but unless they are set
> > for
> > auto-subscribe with no vetting, it's not as simple as just
> > signing up.
> > I can assure you that members joining here are thoroughly
> > checked
> > before they are allowed to subscribe, we have to approve
> > each
> > membership. Seldom will one slip through and when they do,
> > it's
> > usually just some idiot troll looking to cause trouble
> > rather than a
> > spammer. Rather than waste the effort, they just take over
> > address
> > books and access groups with addresses that are already
> > registered
> > members.
> >
> > So, it's not as simple as you suggest.
> >
> > ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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