[AMRadio] SPAM/Bounces

Mon Oct 18 23:01:29 EDT 2010

Todd I only refer to facebook because it's the only surefire way I know of to have your email account hacked by others. I don't have a facebook page and never will have one because of this fact.

You gotta be kidding on the spam comment!? Configure your email account any way you desire OM and it will matter little if you use that email account for much traffic. The more different people and companies you communicate with on the net the higher your percentage of spam goes.

Gmail flags spam for you??? How the devil does gmail know spam from legitimate emails??? Simple answer, it doesn't and no other providers do either. The providers learn from the users flagging certain emails as being spam, no genius security involved at all. Which is why you have the "bounce back" problem from providers that believe your reflected emails are spam. Pretty simple Todd.

When all else fails Todd, go the childish route OM. LMAO. My license is bigger than yours. LMAO again OM. Will you challenge me with a measuring tape to compare our manhood next??? ROTFLMAO now Todd.

GOD how I hope you have more going for you in life than your license class and the ham radio "on air experience" Todd? Some of us actually have lives and ham radio is only a hobby thing, not very important in the overall scope of things.

I'm also sorry that it hurt your feelings that I had myself removed from AMfone.net, I had no idea you were hurt? 

I am fairly good at this internet thing Todd. I did start helping to build it in the '69 and retired 33 years later.

99.9% of email account "hacks" are done by the users themselves not following simple security measures, they hack themselves.

N4VGB
Mack Rogers 

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] SPAM/Bounces
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 6:47 PM
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Mack
> Rogers <n4vgb at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Well Todd, it is if you use facebook.
> 
> We're not talking about Facebook.
> 
> > I had a gmail account years ago and abandoned it's use
> because 90% of what I received there was spam and I got fed
> up.
> 
> No doubt something to do with how you had your gmail
> account
> configured and the types of sites you frequented. Not
> terribly germane
> to the discussion. I've had my gmail account since 2004 as
> one of the
> beta testers, I might get 4 or 5 spam email attempts in my
> inbox per
> year. The rest go directly to the spambox where I can view
> the
> subject/sender and delete without ever reading them. In
> fact, I can
> just delete the whole pile without reviewing if I so
> choose.
> 
> > Brian seemed to be addressing the "bounce back" of
> emails problem that is caused by too many recepients
> flagging emails as spam from the server that this email
> reflector resides on. That problem is not a security issue
> that any service provider can help you to resolve. Some
> service providers pursue the problem of spam in much too
> aggressive a manner and end up blocking emails that are
> legitimate, just because they originate from the same server
> source. That is why I never flag any emails from any of the
> ham radio email reflectors as being spam, even those that
> are indeed spam.
> 
> Again, Gmail does that for me. The only ones that have
> gotten through
> recently are the ones from users whose accounts have been
> hacked and
> spam sent through this server.
> 
> > I don't believe for a second that google (gmail)
> spends any more time or money on their security than yahoo
> or any other service provider. They're all in business to
> make money and spend no more than is necessary.
> 
> Glad to see you're an expert on internet email providers
> too, Mack. (o:
> 
> > "Hijacking" an email account is not as easy as you
> make it sound Todd and few hackers would pursue such a
> venture since there is no profit involved. None of the spam
> I've received from any of the ham radio based email
> reflectors has come from any email address that I recognize
> as being one of the legitimate and long time users. Most
> email accounts are "hacked" perfectly legally via not so
> knowledgeable users signing up on "social networking"
> websites that if they had taken time to read the license
> agreement they wouldn't have signed up and allowed all their
> info to be downloaded by websites that then use their email
> account for spamming purposes. The only true spam I've
> received has always originated from a new list/group user
> that only signed up for the purpose of spamming and I don't
> recall any spam originating from this email reflector at
> all???
> 
> Guess you haven't been watching then. You must be spending
> too much
> time on Facebook. Over the past several months there have
> been
> numerous email posts to this list as well as others from
> registered
> users whose address books were hacked by a spammer. Keep in
> mind that
> each event is not a case of some person sitting at a pc
> hacking away.
> A program is developed and tested that does the dirty work.
> It is then
> propagated through the usual methods - attachments, etc -
> to infect
> users accounts. It's all very automated, far faster and
> easier than
> searching for groups to sign up with and going through that
> process.
> More of a 'set and forget' approach.
> 
> > I know the "bounce back" and "blocked" problem is a
> big one for administrators of any email reflector but I
> don't believe for a second that all subscribers on any of
> the ham radio email reflectors moving to gmail will
> instantly solve for you.
> 
> Nobody said it would, merely cut down drastically on the
> problem. The
> statistics speak for themselves as far as the providers
> afflicted with
> the problem.
> 
> > In fact, if you guys deem it necessary for all to have
> a gmail account, I'll just have to wave bye-bye.
> 
> Ah, shades of your time on AMfone. Again you puts words in
> my mouth,
> when all I did was suggest people get a gmail account.
> However, if you
> want to leave the group, I'll feel obligated to wave right
> back atcha.
> That's your choice, just like choosing not to upgrade your
> license so
> you can get on the air. It won't affect the group or how we
> run things
> here, I promise. We'll continue to do our best to provide a
> clean,
> comfortable reflector for the purpose of exchanging info to
> enhance
> the technical and on-air AM experience.
> 
> ~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4
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