[ADXA] mshv issue

[Steven Rutledge]

Welcome to the world of cyber-crime.  If one man can invent it, another 
man can defeat it.  This stuff goes on all the time in the business 
world.  I agree with David.  If someone can be legitimately caught, 
without question, make an example out of them.  After reading this, I'm 
glad I had KP5 on all bands.  I only needed them on digital.  Now I'm 
wondering if THAT was legitimate.

73,

Steve, N4JQQ

On 2/7/2026 9:35 AM, David Norris via ADXA wrote:
> Robotic operations are not permitted per DXCC rules. Those 
> stations/ops doing same need their accounts locked.
>
> Looks like we have another PSC agenda item.
>
> We need to make an example out of a couple of these guys.
>
> 73
>
> David A. Norris, K5UZ
> Director, Delta Division
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2026, at 9:25 AM, EJ Jones <k5ej at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I suspect a lot of these stations have absent operators.
>> EJ
>>
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>> *From:* adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net <adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net> 
>> on behalf of Jussi Eloranta <eloranta at aa6kj.hopto.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2026 8:34:13 AM
>> *To:* w5znjoel at gmail.com <w5znjoel at gmail.com>; adxa at mailman.qth.net 
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>> *Subject:* Re: [ADXA] mshv issue
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> On 2/7/26 3:54 AM, w5znjoel at gmail.com wrote:
>> > Happens on 6 meters as well.
>>
>> 6m propagation goes sometimes in one direction only and this same
>> approach can be used :-(
>>
>> > Its unfortunate, and is a sad indicator of how the integrity of 
>> operators
>> > has declined.
>>
>> Indeed, this has to stop! I think DX peditions should consider the
>> following ASAP:
>>
>> 1) Modify the mshv software:
>> - If R-xx is received from a station that mshv responded to earlier
>> within e.g. 3 minutes then send back R and log QSO.
>> - If R-xx is received from a station that mshv responded to earlier
>> longer than 3 minutes ago, do not log the QSO & reset QSO state.
>> - If R-xx message is received at any point from a station that mshv did
>> not respond to within 15 minutes, blacklist the station for 48 hours &
>> possibly publish the offender information.
>>
>> 2) FT8 QSOs should not use livestream at all or at minimum implement 15
>> min delay in publishing the data.
>>
>> 3) Do not publish radio control data (like KP5 does). This blind calling
>> business seemed to start immediately when they saw that the radio is on
>> a given band.
>>
>> Jussi (aa6kj)
>>
>>
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