[ADXA] mshv issue

Sat Feb 7 13:02:59 EST 2026

There are four separate issues:

1) using shortcomings of mshv software especially with live streaming to log ft8 contacts without hearing the DX station. This is what I first described.

2) Setting excessively long transmit timeout and leaving wsjtx call the DX station forever (unattended).

3) Using automatic software to log qsos to collect dxcc entries (unattended).

4) using remote stations for receive (for example, websdr etc) or remote stations far away from home qth.

Jussi (aa6kj)

Feb 7, 2026 11:36:59 AM Steven Rutledge <steven.t.rutledge at gmail.com>:

> Welcome to the world of cyber-crime.  If one man can invent it, another man can defeat it.  This stuff goes on all the time in the business world.  I agree with David.  If someone can be legitimately caught, without question, make an example out of them.  After reading this, I'm glad I had KP5 on all bands.  I only needed them on digital.  Now I'm wondering if THAT was legitimate.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Steve, N4JQQ
> 
> On 2/7/2026 9:35 AM, David Norris via ADXA wrote:
>> Robotic operations are not permitted per DXCC rules. Those stations/ops doing same need their accounts locked. 
>> 
>> Looks like we have another PSC agenda item. 
>> 
>> We need to make an example out of a couple of these guys. 
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> David A. Norris, K5UZ
>> Director, Delta Division
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2026, at 9:25 AM, EJ Jones <k5ej at outlook.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I suspect a lot of these stations have absent operators.
>>> EJ
>>> 
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>>> *To:* w5znjoel at gmail.com <w5znjoel at gmail.com>; adxa at mailman.qth.net <adxa at mailman.qth.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ADXA] mshv issue
>>>  
>>> Hi Joel,
>>> 
>>> On 2/7/26 3:54 AM, w5znjoel at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Happens on 6 meters as well.
>>> 
>>> 6m propagation goes sometimes in one direction only and this same
>>> approach can be used :-(
>>> 
>>>> Its unfortunate, and is a sad indicator of how the integrity of operators
>>>> has declined.
>>> 
>>> Indeed, this has to stop! I think DX peditions should consider the
>>> following ASAP:
>>> 
>>> 1) Modify the mshv software:
>>> - If R-xx is received from a station that mshv responded to earlier
>>> within e.g. 3 minutes then send back R and log QSO.
>>> - If R-xx is received from a station that mshv responded to earlier
>>> longer than 3 minutes ago, do not log the QSO & reset QSO state.
>>> - If R-xx message is received at any point from a station that mshv did
>>> not respond to within 15 minutes, blacklist the station for 48 hours &
>>> possibly publish the offender information.
>>> 
>>> 2) FT8 QSOs should not use livestream at all or at minimum implement 15
>>> min delay in publishing the data.
>>> 
>>> 3) Do not publish radio control data (like KP5 does). This blind calling
>>> business seemed to start immediately when they saw that the radio is on
>>> a given band.
>>> 
>>> Jussi (aa6kj)
>>> 
>>> 
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