[ADXA] mshv issue

Sat Feb 7 07:35:36 EST 2026

For pay remote stations and and gaming the livestream system when a station is not being copied are recent problems in DXing.  It's fairly easy to spot stations engaged in these activities though.  The endless blind calling when the station is clearly gone and not listed on live stream is dumb.

EJ

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Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2026 1:54 AM
To: 'Jussi Eloranta' <eloranta at aa6kj.hopto.org>; adxa at mailman.qth.net <adxa at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [ADXA] mshv issue

Interesting observation, Jussi.

K5EJ and I have been discussing this recently as we have watched this occur
as well and as you note, it seems to be worse when there is a live stream.
I've actually sat here on 160 meters when I was decoding the DX station and
watched stations call a couple of times, then start sending "R -xx when the
DX NEVER called them. I saw it happen a couple weeks ago on 160 meters with
KP5 with a station in Arkansas who regularly does this when there is a live
stream from the DX station. Happens on 6 meters as well.

Its unfortunate, and is a sad indicator of how the integrity of operators
has declined.

73 Joel W5ZN

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Sent: Friday, February 6, 2026 10:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [ADXA] mshv issue

Forgot to add that this with livestream makes it very efficient. One can
stop when the call shows up in the livestream log.

Jussi (aa6kj)

On 2/6/26 21:31, Jussi Eloranta wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Looks like people are desperately trying trick mshv to get in the
> KP5/NP3VI log without actually hearing the station (especially on 160m
> where their TX is poor). So, keep calling for a bit and then send R-xx
> (xx any number) and the chances are that you will end up in the log
> (without actually decoding anything). Mshv remembers for a while that
> it responded to you and will accept happily the R for quite some time.
>
> I wish they would implement a short timeout for mshv so that it would
> not accept the R after say 1 minute of getting the call. This would
> not eliminate this loophole but reduces the chances of it working. But
> even then we would probably start seeing sequences of alternating call
> & roger transmissions.
>
> This ends up being a similar issue as people using online remote RX to
> receive (no need to hear the DX).
>
> Jussi (aa6kj)
>
> ps. This is not just happening with kp5 but other peditions as well.
>
>
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