Interesting observation, Jussi.

K5EJ and I have been discussing this recently as we have watched this occur
as well and as you note, it seems to be worse when there is a live stream.
I've actually sat here on 160 meters when I was decoding the DX station and
watched stations call a couple of times, then start sending "R -xx when the
DX NEVER called them. I saw it happen a couple weeks ago on 160 meters with
KP5 with a station in Arkansas who regularly does this when there is a live
stream from the DX station. Happens on 6 meters as well.

Its unfortunate, and is a sad indicator of how the integrity of operators
has declined.

73 Joel W5ZN

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf
Of Jussi Eloranta
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2026 10:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ADXA] mshv issue

Forgot to add that this with livestream makes it very efficient. One can
stop when the call shows up in the livestream log.

Jussi (aa6kj)

On 2/6/26 21:31, Jussi Eloranta wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Looks like people are desperately trying trick mshv to get in the
> KP5/NP3VI log without actually hearing the station (especially on 160m
> where their TX is poor). So, keep calling for a bit and then send R-xx
> (xx any number) and the chances are that you will end up in the log
> (without actually decoding anything). Mshv remembers for a while that
> it responded to you and will accept happily the R for quite some time.
>
> I wish they would implement a short timeout for mshv so that it would
> not accept the R after say 1 minute of getting the call. This would
> not eliminate this loophole but reduces the chances of it working. But
> even then we would probably start seeing sequences of alternating call
> & roger transmissions.
>
> This ends up being a similar issue as people using online remote RX to
> receive (no need to hear the DX).
>
> Jussi (aa6kj)
>
> ps. This is not just happening with kp5 but other peditions as well.
>
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