[1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group

[Cecil Acuff]

And your point in posting this disgust with Yaesu, the MKV, 9000, 2000, 
Yahoo and your endorsement for the Ten-Tec products to the 1000MP list 
is......?????

You complain of them bringing products to market before their "development 
is fully realized" and then follow by complaining they are not releasing the 
200W model because they are working out the bugs.  Would you rather them 
sell you one now?

Any new product that is brought to market has it's share of issues that have 
to be worked out.  All manufacturers experience that.  It's the price the 
guys pay for having to have the very latest and greatest.

Look at the American car industry.   You state that if an American product 
were brought to market the way Yaesu brings it's products to market Congress 
would be involved.  Everyone knows you don't every buy the first model year 
of any new car...they always seem to have issues.  I have experienced it 
myself on several occasions....there are only recalls issued on things that 
kill or injure people consistently....no Congressional involvement there.

I'm quite sure Ten-Tec has had it's share of new model woes as well...none 
of them are perfect....

It's a hobby John...take a breath...:-)

I've owned Yaesu, Icom, Kenwood and Drake in over 30 years in Ham 
Radio....there is no such think as the Holy Grail of radio's...they all have 
their blemishes.  (Do wish Drake would come back though...)  I always come 
back to the Yaesu HF gear..(the stuff from a few years behind the bleeding 
edge technology bubble though)

The Orion II looks nice but personally I have decided I don't want any radio 
with everything displayed on one central display....loose it in 5 years and 
you have no radio....period!  There are already issues with getting the 
earlier Icom displays and I don't think it's been 5 years...I've been 
impressed that Yaesu has avoided that design concept and opted to offer the 
band data on a separate standard computer style monitor....

Frankly I don't see how any of them make any money at all when you consider 
the R&D costs to bring a new product to market and how few are 
sold....relative to other consumer markets the Amateur market is very small!

I haven't posted any of this to further annoy you but to point out that we 
are fortunate that there are as many manufactures still in the market 
building products for us to use considering how small a group we are and how 
many new radio's are sold each year.  Each of these manufacturers survive 
because of the commercial and military markets not the Ham Radio 
market.....we should probably give them a break!

Cecil....
WB5VCE

Yaesu FT-1000D (bullet proof)
Yaesu FT-1000MP
Drake "C" Line

Recently sold Icom 756Pro II

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "n4dsp" <n4dsp at triad.rr.com>
To: "All about Yaesu 1000mp" <1000mp at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: [1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group


>I made a post to the Ft-9000,FT-2000 yahoo group site stating that I was 
>annoyed at waiting for the FT-2000 200 watt version and would place an 
>order to Ten-Tec tomorrow for the Orion II. I also stated I was treated 
>rudely by Yaesu customer service when I inquired when the FT-2000 200 watt 
>version was going to be made available, so disturbed that I felt my 4000 
>bucks would be gladly taken by Ten-Tec with their excellent customer 
>service. I presently have a Yaesu Mark V but that doesn't matter. To get to 
>the point my post never made it but here is the email I received from the 
>FT-9000,FT-2000 yahoo group.....
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________________________
> "We are sorry you have chosen to leave the Fox Tango FTdx-9000 / FT-2000 
> forum at Yahoo groups.
>
> The loss of any member is felt by everyone in the group.
> However, as a moderator/list owner, I understand that needs change.
> I also understand that you may already belong to several other
> news groups and your time is valuable. Or possibly you
> may have sold your Yaesu equipment.
> If this is the case, please don't forget us at Fox Tango International
> in the future if you should buy another piece of Yaesu equipment.
> You are always welcome, so please feel free to come back at any time.
>
> If there's a problem I can help resolve, please don't hesitate
> to give us a chance. Should you decide to come back later,
> you are more than welcome to join us again."
>
> 73s &
> Very Best Regards
> List Owners & Moderators
> __________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> I never made a decision to leave this group. This is the type of letter 
> the list owner and moderators use with all the pleasantries. Notice the 
> "Loss of any member is felt by everyone in the group".  Also posts I made 
> to this group were withheld on a couple of occasions because I did not 
> "fit the ideal Yaesu customer profile". Talk about censorship!
>
> With the Yaesu Mark V you spend thousands of dollars and then some to 
> repair keys clicks and other
> modifications yourself. More problems are evident with the FT-9000. These 
> radios cost over $10,000 and the problems the owners are encountering 
> should not be taking place. These are not growing pains as Yaesu would 
> have you to believe but very poor design and workmanship. These are not 
> due to a new product making its appearance on the scene as Yaesu would 
> have you believe. If the American public accepted this type of product in 
> some other industry there would be such a public outcry Congress would be 
> involved. Manufacturers like Yaesu has duped the Amateur Radio Operators 
> with the normal excuses but it is unacceptable to put out a product when 
> its development has not been fully realized. This is why the FT-2000 200 
> watt version is not being made available at this time. Yaesu is trying to 
> fix all the problems with this rig thereby the delay on it's release but 
> that is not to be public knowledge as a source told me today. Neither will 
> the retail merchants
> let on of the problems with the FT-2000 200 watt version.
>
> Subscribe to the FT-9000, FT-2000 yahoo group and read the posts of the 
> FT-9000's problems. These radios cost over $10,000 and the problems which 
> owners are encountering. There are two good companies out there today and 
> both are American made. Ten-Tec and Elecraft. Excellent products. 
> Excellent Receivers. Excellent Customer Support and Technical Service.
> Yaesu can kiss my arse.
>
> 73
> john-n4dsp
>
>
>
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