[1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group

n4dsp n4dsp at triad.rr.com
Tue Jul 25 22:34:19 EDT 2006 

Geez Cecil,
     I apologize you had to read such a disgusting diatribe that I posted on 
this reflector. Didn't mean to upset your little world. Generally with email 
programs there is a "dump to" bin for posters like myself. Just put a 
checkmark next to my call and any further irrating posts will be thrown into 
the crap bin.
I must say that toward the end of your response to me I felt like whistling 
the Star Spangled Banner.

john-n4dsp


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecil Acuff" <chacuff at cableone.net>
To: "All about Yaesu 1000mp" <1000mp at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group


> And your point in posting this disgust with Yaesu, the MKV, 9000, 2000, 
> Yahoo and your endorsement for the Ten-Tec products to the 1000MP list 
> is......?????
>
> You complain of them bringing products to market before their "development 
> is fully realized" and then follow by complaining they are not releasing 
> the 200W model because they are working out the bugs.  Would you rather 
> them sell you one now?
>
> Any new product that is brought to market has it's share of issues that 
> have to be worked out.  All manufacturers experience that.  It's the price 
> the guys pay for having to have the very latest and greatest.
>
> Look at the American car industry.   You state that if an American product 
> were brought to market the way Yaesu brings it's products to market 
> Congress would be involved.  Everyone knows you don't every buy the first 
> model year of any new car...they always seem to have issues.  I have 
> experienced it myself on several occasions....there are only recalls 
> issued on things that kill or injure people consistently....no 
> Congressional involvement there.
>
> I'm quite sure Ten-Tec has had it's share of new model woes as well...none 
> of them are perfect....
>
> It's a hobby John...take a breath...:-)
>
> I've owned Yaesu, Icom, Kenwood and Drake in over 30 years in Ham 
> Radio....there is no such think as the Holy Grail of radio's...they all 
> have their blemishes.  (Do wish Drake would come back though...)  I always 
> come back to the Yaesu HF gear..(the stuff from a few years behind the 
> bleeding edge technology bubble though)
>
> The Orion II looks nice but personally I have decided I don't want any 
> radio with everything displayed on one central display....loose it in 5 
> years and you have no radio....period!  There are already issues with 
> getting the earlier Icom displays and I don't think it's been 5 
> years...I've been impressed that Yaesu has avoided that design concept and 
> opted to offer the band data on a separate standard computer style 
> monitor....
>
> Frankly I don't see how any of them make any money at all when you 
> consider the R&D costs to bring a new product to market and how few are 
> sold....relative to other consumer markets the Amateur market is very 
> small!
>
> I haven't posted any of this to further annoy you but to point out that we 
> are fortunate that there are as many manufactures still in the market 
> building products for us to use considering how small a group we are and 
> how many new radio's are sold each year.  Each of these manufacturers 
> survive because of the commercial and military markets not the Ham Radio 
> market.....we should probably give them a break!
>
> Cecil....
> WB5VCE
>
> Yaesu FT-1000D (bullet proof)
> Yaesu FT-1000MP
> Drake "C" Line
>
> Recently sold Icom 756Pro II
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "n4dsp" <n4dsp at triad.rr.com>
> To: "All about Yaesu 1000mp" <1000mp at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:03 PM
> Subject: [1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group
>
>
>>I made a post to the Ft-9000,FT-2000 yahoo group site stating that I was 
>>annoyed at waiting for the FT-2000 200 watt version and would place an 
>>order to Ten-Tec tomorrow for the Orion II. I also stated I was treated 
>>rudely by Yaesu customer service when I inquired when the FT-2000 200 watt 
>>version was going to be made available, so disturbed that I felt my 4000 
>>bucks would be gladly taken by Ten-Tec with their excellent customer 
>>service. I presently have a Yaesu Mark V but that doesn't matter. To get 
>>to the point my post never made it but here is the email I received from 
>>the FT-9000,FT-2000 yahoo group.....
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________
>> "We are sorry you have chosen to leave the Fox Tango FTdx-9000 / FT-2000 
>> forum at Yahoo groups.
>>
>> The loss of any member is felt by everyone in the group.
>> However, as a moderator/list owner, I understand that needs change.
>> I also understand that you may already belong to several other
>> news groups and your time is valuable. Or possibly you
>> may have sold your Yaesu equipment.
>> If this is the case, please don't forget us at Fox Tango International
>> in the future if you should buy another piece of Yaesu equipment.
>> You are always welcome, so please feel free to come back at any time.
>>
>> If there's a problem I can help resolve, please don't hesitate
>> to give us a chance. Should you decide to come back later,
>> you are more than welcome to join us again."
>>
>> 73s &
>> Very Best Regards
>> List Owners & Moderators
>> __________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> I never made a decision to leave this group. This is the type of letter 
>> the list owner and moderators use with all the pleasantries. Notice the 
>> "Loss of any member is felt by everyone in the group".  Also posts I made 
>> to this group were withheld on a couple of occasions because I did not 
>> "fit the ideal Yaesu customer profile". Talk about censorship!
>>
>> With the Yaesu Mark V you spend thousands of dollars and then some to 
>> repair keys clicks and other
>> modifications yourself. More problems are evident with the FT-9000. These 
>> radios cost over $10,000 and the problems the owners are encountering 
>> should not be taking place. These are not growing pains as Yaesu would 
>> have you to believe but very poor design and workmanship. These are not 
>> due to a new product making its appearance on the scene as Yaesu would 
>> have you believe. If the American public accepted this type of product in 
>> some other industry there would be such a public outcry Congress would be 
>> involved. Manufacturers like Yaesu has duped the Amateur Radio Operators 
>> with the normal excuses but it is unacceptable to put out a product when 
>> its development has not been fully realized. This is why the FT-2000 200 
>> watt version is not being made available at this time. Yaesu is trying to 
>> fix all the problems with this rig thereby the delay on it's release but 
>> that is not to be public knowledge as a source told me today. Neither 
>> will the retail merchants
>> let on of the problems with the FT-2000 200 watt version.
>>
>> Subscribe to the FT-9000, FT-2000 yahoo group and read the posts of the 
>> FT-9000's problems. These radios cost over $10,000 and the problems which 
>> owners are encountering. There are two good companies out there today and 
>> both are American made. Ten-Tec and Elecraft. Excellent products. 
>> Excellent Receivers. Excellent Customer Support and Technical Service.
>> Yaesu can kiss my arse.
>>
>> 73
>> john-n4dsp
>>
>>
>>
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