[1000mp] Logger/Rig Control for Mk V Field?

[Pawel SP7PS]

Hello Jim and All,

Jim, do you really know WL and how to use it? Most of you wrote is false...
I am user of WL for more then six years and know this software a little bit.

Regards to your "hit" message, I can explain:

> To call CQ
>   WL - hit the CQ key (I think it's F2)
>   TR - hit the CQ key (F1 or F2, depending on which form of CQ you want
> to send)

You can send CQ few ways (F1, F2 and ENTER - just only ENTER to hit)

> To send the Exchange
>   WL - hit the Exchange key (F3?)
>   TR - hit Enter

Yes, key F3 (or other, it depands what you program for yourself) or hit
ENTER

> To sent TU QRZ
>   WL - hit the TU key (F4?)
>   TR - hit Enter

The same story as previously, hit TU key (F4 or other you programmed for TU)
or ENTER

> To log the Q
>   WL - hit Enter
>   TR - nothing to hit, it's already in the log.

Not true. In WL if I hit ENTER to say "TU" contacts are logged immediately
without ask or delay.

Regards networking it is not problem, few times I connected two or three
computers within few minutes and without problems even I am not networking
specialist (frankly the first time connecting WL was my first time with
networking computers myself at all).

> TR supports a very large number of contests, 75 the last time I counted.
In WL you have 62 contests (after installing contest module from WL page).
There is also "General HF Log" for DXPedition or "normal" logging in WL. You
are right, that it is not easy to make new contest module, but most contest
are supported and usually before contests there is information, that new
module is available. I do not installed moules for contests I do not started
so the quanity is only 62.

Jim, I do not know TR log and will not tell if it is good or bad. But my
suggestion is: if you do not know software do not tell it is bad. And if you
have any problems with using just ask on reflector. Using ENTER key in WL is
basic feature and I do not image to work with only F3, F4, F5, etc keys.

73's
Pawel, SP7PS (SN7N in contest using WL)
http://sp7ps.pl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Smith" <jimsmith@shaw.ca>
To: <1000mp@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [1000mp] Logger/Rig Control for Mk V Field?


> I have used only 2 contest logging programs, WriteLog and TRLog.  I got
> WL for RTTY contesting.  I far prefer TR and wouldn't consider using WL
> for phone or cw contests.
>
> To call CQ
>   WL - hit the CQ key (I think it's F2)
>   TR - hit the CQ key (F1 or F2, depending on which form of CQ you want
> to send)
>
> To send the Exchange
>   WL - hit the Exchange key (F3?)
>   TR - hit Enter
>
> To sent TU QRZ
>   WL - hit the TU key (F4?)
>   TR - hit Enter
>
> To log the Q
>   WL - hit Enter
>   TR - nothing to hit, it's already in the log.
>
> In WL, as I recall, there is a yet a different key for the S&P exchange
> because what you send is different.  In TR guess what key you use.  Yup,
> it's the Enter key.  See, you're learning already.
>
> You will notice that I have difficulties remembering which key is which
> in WL.
> I have lost many, many QSOs using WL because I forgot to hit Enter to
> log the Q.
>
> WL enthusiasts tell me that they have simply trained themselves to hit
> the right keys, including Enter to log the Q.  Terrific, something that
> requires more training and provides more opportunities to screw up is
> considered a good thing.
>
> Which one would you rather teach your FD crew to use?
>
> They have also wondered why one would want to have the Q logged
> automatically, presumably instead of reviewing it for approval and then
> logging it.  I wonder why anyone would want to review the log entry.
>  You made the Q so log it and get on with the next one.  If you do
> notice a mistake it's pretty easy to edit right then and there.
>
> WL simply requires too many different keystrokes to make and log a Q.
> This translates to more confusion, more errors, lower rate and lower
score.
>
> There are all kinds of WL users who will say they can complete a Q just
> as fast as a TR user and I would believe them.  Indeed, lots of WL users
> make scores I can only dream about.  Good for them, they have
> demonstrated a higher level of skill than that needed by a TR user.
>
>
> FD specific
>
> Computer:
> TR will run just fine on a 386.  386s are cheap.  Outfitting a FD setup
> with computers is, therefore, cheap.
>
> Networking:
> TR uses a networking scheme that only requires you to daisy-chain
> computers via serial ports.  No wondering about whether or not to use
> NETBUI or...  i.e. you don't have to know anything about computer
> networking to set up TR for a multi-multi, which is what FD is.
>
> I don't know how WL is networked, I presume through Windows in the usual
> way.
>
>
> Now, TR doesn't have all the bells and whistles that many Windows based
> programs have, e.g. greyline maps.  For FD you don't need them.
>
> TR supports a very large number of contests, 75 the last time I counted.
>  It is very flexible so, if you want to use it for an unsupported
> contest you can usually change the configuration to accomodate.
>
> WL supports a number of contests, not sure how many.  It appears to me
> that it's pretty well unuseable for an unsupported contest until someone
> writes a "module" for that contest.  The documentation on how to write
> these modules was incomprehensible to me the last time I looked at it.
>  Far more skilled programmers than I have sought assistance with this on
> the WL reflector and finally seem to have given up.
>
> TR has a cw simulator which will send calls to you at whatever speed you
> choose so you can practise logging (and cw).  It's just like being in a
> contest (except no qrm).  One can easily spend 2-3 hours at this,
> watching your score pile up.  Don't know if any other contest software
> can do this.
>
> Documentation
> Both TR and WL could use better documentation.  WL has fallen into the
> trap of believing that a help file is the same as documentation.  This
> has caused someone to write his own and put it up on his web site for
> all to use.  Sorry, Scott, don't remember your call.  I think it's
> something9FOX.  However, both are better than the Yaesu MkV
> documentation, although not as fancy.
>
>
> I think most serious contesters use a logging program optimized for
> contesting and something else for general purpose logging, DXing,
> tracking awards, printing QSLs and finding QSL managers.
>
> These comments are coming from someone who does a lot of contesting and
> has won a few CQ WPX/DX, ARRL DX etc for VE7.  (Small frog in small
> puddle)  If you have nothing better to do, do a search for VE7FO in the
> 3830 reflector archives.
>
>
> The FD version of TR is free at http://www.qth.com/tr/free.html
>
> I hope this helps, Rich
>
> 73 de Jim Smith    VE7FO
>
>
>
> Rich McGee wrote:
>
> > All;
> > With Field Day rapidly coming up, I want to be as prepared as
> > possible, and this includes finding the best logging program/rig
> > control I can afford. While I've played with the demo copy of TRX-Man,
> > and found it to be really nice, is there anything out there that
> > people like better?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Rich de KY6O
>
>
>
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