[1000mp] Logger/Rig Control for Mk V Field?
Jim Smith
[email protected]
Wed, 21 May 2003 01:37:27 -0700
Hi Pawel,
Thanks for the response. No, I don't really know WL. The documentation
doesn't make it easy to know it. I would be happy if someone could
correct any false ideas I may have about it. Would sure beat reading
the manual.
I have found no way to log the Q automatically in both Run and S&P mode.
One or the other but not both.
I'll answer the rest direct. Anyone wanting to be copied on this can
ask me.
73 de Jim VE7FO
Pawel SP7PS wrote:
>Hello Jim and All,
>
>Jim, do you really know WL and how to use it? Most of you wrote is false...
>I am user of WL for more then six years and know this software a little bit.
>
>Regards to your "hit" message, I can explain:
>
>>To call CQ
>> WL - hit the CQ key (I think it's F2)
>> TR - hit the CQ key (F1 or F2, depending on which form of CQ you want
>>to send)
>>
>
>You can send CQ few ways (F1, F2 and ENTER - just only ENTER to hit)
>
>>To send the Exchange
>> WL - hit the Exchange key (F3?)
>> TR - hit Enter
>>
>
>Yes, key F3 (or other, it depands what you program for yourself) or hit
>ENTER
>
>>To sent TU QRZ
>> WL - hit the TU key (F4?)
>> TR - hit Enter
>>
>
>The same story as previously, hit TU key (F4 or other you programmed for TU)
>or ENTER
>
>>To log the Q
>> WL - hit Enter
>> TR - nothing to hit, it's already in the log.
>>
>
>Not true. In WL if I hit ENTER to say "TU" contacts are logged immediately
>without ask or delay.
>
>Regards networking it is not problem, few times I connected two or three
>computers within few minutes and without problems even I am not networking
>specialist (frankly the first time connecting WL was my first time with
>networking computers myself at all).
>
>>TR supports a very large number of contests, 75 the last time I counted.
>>
>In WL you have 62 contests (after installing contest module from WL page).
>There is also "General HF Log" for DXPedition or "normal" logging in WL. You
>are right, that it is not easy to make new contest module, but most contest
>are supported and usually before contests there is information, that new
>module is available. I do not installed moules for contests I do not started
>so the quanity is only 62.
>
>Jim, I do not know TR log and will not tell if it is good or bad. But my
>suggestion is: if you do not know software do not tell it is bad. And if you
>have any problems with using just ask on reflector. Using ENTER key in WL is
>basic feature and I do not image to work with only F3, F4, F5, etc keys.
>
>73's
>Pawel, SP7PS (SN7N in contest using WL)
>http://sp7ps.pl
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Smith" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [1000mp] Logger/Rig Control for Mk V Field?
>
>
>>I have used only 2 contest logging programs, WriteLog and TRLog. I got
>>WL for RTTY contesting. I far prefer TR and wouldn't consider using WL
>>for phone or cw contests.
>>
>>To call CQ
>> WL - hit the CQ key (I think it's F2)
>> TR - hit the CQ key (F1 or F2, depending on which form of CQ you want
>>to send)
>>
>>To send the Exchange
>> WL - hit the Exchange key (F3?)
>> TR - hit Enter
>>
>>To sent TU QRZ
>> WL - hit the TU key (F4?)
>> TR - hit Enter
>>
>>To log the Q
>> WL - hit Enter
>> TR - nothing to hit, it's already in the log.
>>
>>In WL, as I recall, there is a yet a different key for the S&P exchange
>>because what you send is different. In TR guess what key you use. Yup,
>>it's the Enter key. See, you're learning already.
>>
>>You will notice that I have difficulties remembering which key is which
>>in WL.
>>I have lost many, many QSOs using WL because I forgot to hit Enter to
>>log the Q.
>>
>>WL enthusiasts tell me that they have simply trained themselves to hit
>>the right keys, including Enter to log the Q. Terrific, something that
>>requires more training and provides more opportunities to screw up is
>>considered a good thing.
>>
>>Which one would you rather teach your FD crew to use?
>>
>>They have also wondered why one would want to have the Q logged
>>automatically, presumably instead of reviewing it for approval and then
>>logging it. I wonder why anyone would want to review the log entry.
>> You made the Q so log it and get on with the next one. If you do
>>notice a mistake it's pretty easy to edit right then and there.
>>
>>WL simply requires too many different keystrokes to make and log a Q.
>>This translates to more confusion, more errors, lower rate and lower
>>
>score.
>
>>There are all kinds of WL users who will say they can complete a Q just
>>as fast as a TR user and I would believe them. Indeed, lots of WL users
>>make scores I can only dream about. Good for them, they have
>>demonstrated a higher level of skill than that needed by a TR user.
>>
>>
>>FD specific
>>
>>Computer:
>>TR will run just fine on a 386. 386s are cheap. Outfitting a FD setup
>>with computers is, therefore, cheap.
>>
>>Networking:
>>TR uses a networking scheme that only requires you to daisy-chain
>>computers via serial ports. No wondering about whether or not to use
>>NETBUI or... i.e. you don't have to know anything about computer
>>networking to set up TR for a multi-multi, which is what FD is.
>>
>>I don't know how WL is networked, I presume through Windows in the usual
>>way.
>>
>>
>>Now, TR doesn't have all the bells and whistles that many Windows based
>>programs have, e.g. greyline maps. For FD you don't need them.
>>
>>TR supports a very large number of contests, 75 the last time I counted.
>> It is very flexible so, if you want to use it for an unsupported
>>contest you can usually change the configuration to accomodate.
>>
>>WL supports a number of contests, not sure how many. It appears to me
>>that it's pretty well unuseable for an unsupported contest until someone
>>writes a "module" for that contest. The documentation on how to write
>>these modules was incomprehensible to me the last time I looked at it.
>> Far more skilled programmers than I have sought assistance with this on
>>the WL reflector and finally seem to have given up.
>>
>>TR has a cw simulator which will send calls to you at whatever speed you
>>choose so you can practise logging (and cw). It's just like being in a
>>contest (except no qrm). One can easily spend 2-3 hours at this,
>>watching your score pile up. Don't know if any other contest software
>>can do this.
>>
>>Documentation
>>Both TR and WL could use better documentation. WL has fallen into the
>>trap of believing that a help file is the same as documentation. This
>>has caused someone to write his own and put it up on his web site for
>>all to use. Sorry, Scott, don't remember your call. I think it's
>>something9FOX. However, both are better than the Yaesu MkV
>>documentation, although not as fancy.
>>
>>
>>I think most serious contesters use a logging program optimized for
>>contesting and something else for general purpose logging, DXing,
>>tracking awards, printing QSLs and finding QSL managers.
>>
>>These comments are coming from someone who does a lot of contesting and
>>has won a few CQ WPX/DX, ARRL DX etc for VE7. (Small frog in small
>>puddle) If you have nothing better to do, do a search for VE7FO in the
>>3830 reflector archives.
>>
>>
>>The FD version of TR is free at http://www.qth.com/tr/free.html
>>
>>I hope this helps, Rich
>>
>>73 de Jim Smith VE7FO
>>
>>
>>
>>Rich McGee wrote:
>>
>>>All;
>>>With Field Day rapidly coming up, I want to be as prepared as
>>>possible, and this includes finding the best logging program/rig
>>>control I can afford. While I've played with the demo copy of TRX-Man,
>>>and found it to be really nice, is there anything out there that
>>>people like better?
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>Rich de KY6O
>>>
>>
>>
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