[Yaesu] Good rigs for power line noise

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Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:15:34 -0600


As a former Sr Telecom Egr/Tech for a major public utility,
I can possibly help John....
1) If contacting the company directly (in writing preferably),
see if they have a telecom or radio department....there may be a
ham in that dept..if not, at least they will know RF....sometimes
the job of TVI/RFI is given to the line dept....I would REQUEST
in writing that a person with knowledge of RF supervise the work!
2) If no action is taken, then write them back...inform them that =

under FCC rules, they are REQUIRED by LAW to clean up the problem.
cc: Riley Hollingsworth of the FCC and make sure they KNOW you cc:
Riley! :)  Also carbon the state PUC/PSC...that usually gets them
moving!
3) If still NO action after a reasonable time, get FCC/Riley directly
involved....they wont back down to him...

BTW forget a "good radio for noise"...you CANNOT defeat noise at
the rcvr...you MUST get fix the problem and get rid of it at the =

source! Noise Blankers, etc can only do so much and usually are
good for natural background static around 30-70 MHz (lowband VHF)...
where of course it peaks around 6mtrs! But for electrical noise caused
by bad insulators, loose ground wires, ground wires touching or close
to energized/electrified parts, etc, you HAVE to fix it there...

If you have a portable AM radio or a yagi on HF, try to get an idea
on where the noise is coming from...AM portable are bi directional
with the ferrite rod antenna inside...take a couple of readings at
different points and then where the lines all intersect, thats your
source...I have used such in the past on some TVI issues...if the =

noise on HF sounds like a BURNER (heavy grunge almost like a ckt =

burning in two) rather than light white noise or static, you might =

check the poles at night..look for a flash or arc carefully on poles
within 2-3 miles of your QTH....Do you know the voltage of the
distribution? 7600/13000 lines (which usually use smaller bells and
insulators and are spaced closer together between the conductors)
usually do not burn but have a constant buzz or hiss...
higher voltages like 20Kv single phase/34.5-35KV three phase have
larger bells on the insulators, BIGGER lightning arrestors and
if the (ground) wiring in the field near the conductors is not =

done right, can actually BURN when dry...but the noise will go
away on wet days....(not always the case with the lower voltages)

Hope that helps somewhat...I did 12 years with a power company and
was the primary RFI/TVI guy in the department....and worked MANY a
problem on such issues....(talk about some overtime! :)...
Its an art finding and fixing it...but it CAN be fixed...and MUST
be done at the source...

73
Chris
WB5ITT
former Sr Telecom Egr/Tech
Gulf States Utitilies / now part of Entergy Corporation; 1984-1996

John Geiger wrote:
> =

> I have been chasing the ST0RY dxpedition for the last
> couple of days, with frustration.  The best band for
> propagation to ST seems to be 30 meters, but I have a
> high noise level on that band, so they are very rough
> copy.  I think it is power line noise, and have been
> contacting the power company, but they have been no
> help so far.  I am also in touch with the ARRL to try
> and get their help.  Of course there is always the
> possibility that the noise is coming from elsewhere.
> It seems to be a constant S6 on 30, and about the same
> on 40.  80 is usually a little quieter.
> =

> I also have this noise on the higher bands, but bought
> a Yaesu FT100D based on the reputation of its NB.  It
> does take out the noise on 20-6 meters, lowering it
> from S5 to nothing most of the time.  However, it
> doesn't seem to touch the noise much on the lower
> bands.  I used to have an Icom 746 (original model)
> and it didn't do anything against the noise.  I also
> used to have a Kenwood TS2000, and I seem to remember
> that it handled it pretty well on all bands.  Guess
> the IF DSP or Kenwood NB was worth it.
> =

> Does anyone have a suggestion as to what rigs really
> handle this type of noise well, other than the TS2000.
>  My budget is a little tight right now, so cannot
> afford an Icom 756PRO or 775, although someday hope to
> have one of those. Looking for any rigs that are a
> little less expensive that knock out power line or
> other noise really well.  Any suggestions?
> =

> This ST0 deal so far has me considering giving up
> DXing and sticking with satellites or 2 meter FM (not
> really but it feels like that at times).
> =

> 73s John NE0P
> =

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