[Vintage-Audio] DVD To CD Audio Replication

Wed Jun 24 19:51:43 EDT 2009

Well the Boston Acoustic speaker were good but not that good. What made them 
interesting was that they looked like they were $10.00 Radio Shack specials 
what with the pealing vinyl and rounded corners of pressed wood. They were 
about 6 inches thick, 14 inches wide and maybe 4 ft high. The 10 inch 
woofers were about 3 ft off the floor and above them was a single hard domed 
tweeter. Two way and 10 inches in a rather small box made of pressed 
particle board. Nothing like that should sound like that.

Kloss designed a lot of speakers for many companies most of which he owned a 
part of. The "K" in KLM, founder of Advent, responsible for Cambridge Sound, 
Boston Acoustics, and lots of others. His forte was in acoustic loaded 
speakers and he did them all from 6 inch on up to 15 inch. When the wide 
throw 3 and 4 inch speakers came out in the 80's he came out with the little 
cube things and the 6 inch cube sub woofers.

I have a pair of Advents, a pair of KLMs three sets of little cube things in 
stereo and 5.1. The Advents will keep up with my JBLs and I use them for the 
center channel and the center rear in the main office system. The 8 inch 
KLMs are the side speakers and the 12 inch Warfedales (not designed by 
Kloss) are the left and right rear. The system is driven with a 100 watt/ch 
7.1 amp and I use the dbx 120 sub harmonic generator to restore those 
mastered-out low notes. I can make a lot of noise in a 12 x 12 ft room.

Now for a story. Back in the late 50s my buddy and I had gotten all settled 
down being new engineers and he was into audio. (I was having children and 
no money for anything). He built a Kipsch horn with a 15 inch speaker of 
some merit. This thing was huge being 4 ft square at the base and some 7 ft 
high. As this was before stereo one was just the thing to do. He had just 
gotten it finished and he wanted me to come over and hear it. He had bought 
a new LP, something called "Victory at Sea". His wife was out when I arrived 
and after a couple introductory beers we fired up the HiFi. He cranked the 
gain up a bit on the Heathkit 50 watt amp and the turntable started to miss 
grooves. We thought on this for a while and a few more, and moved the 
turntable out the front door and onto the lawn and ran the audio cable back 
under the door to the preamp.

This was sounding good and it was only at 3 on the level control. When we 
got to 8 on the control the music seemed to enjoy the firing of a 16 inch 
cannon off some battleship and the glass in his front room window, a 4 ft x 
4 ft pane, launched itself in small pieces all over the front lawn and the 
turn table. We got it boarded up and I split before his wife came home.

I have another story about bolting a 5000 watt vibration tester to a blimp 
hanger door at Moffat Field, but I will save that for another day.

WBob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back" 
<vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] DVD To CD Audio Replication

> Hi Bob,
>
> OK, I will send you the low stuff that you can feel more then hear! And I 
> do
> 'NOT' mean feel as in a rock concert where the sheer volume vibrates your
> clothes!
>
> One of the first times that I heard J.D. Sumner, the lowest bass singer in
> the world, SK now for about three years, it was live and in Flint's BIG 
> IMA
> Auditorium. They used to hold the annual Shrine Circus in it. It was 1966. 
> I
> was with two girls. Both are still friends with me to this date. One of
> them, Jan, who helped me with advanced math in college, (I did my 
> Intensive
> in mathematics), had just returned from getting Andrea and I something to
> drink.
>
> At that time J.D. was singing Bass for the world reknown southern gospel
> male quartet the Blackwood Bros. Jan handed me a paper cup of Coke, 
> started
> to sit down to my left and  just about then J.D. hit one of his patented 
> low
> notes that shook the entire building! I remember the Coke in my cup
> vibrating and sloshing over the top edges! You could feel the concrete
> floor, auditorium padded seats and everything else vibrate! Somebody 
> quickly
> turned down the house sound system before the building turned into a pile 
> of
> rubble! (LOL!)
>
> You had to hear, and "feel", J.D. Sumner hit those resonant low notes
> Robert! Words simply fail to even come close to describing the sensation.
>
> J.D. was in the Ginnis Book for hitting a sustained note of 32 Hz for at
> least fifteen years. Two other Bass singers, one hit 9 Hz and the other 15
> Hz, claimed to be lower. However, J.D. did not growl to hit that 
> incredible
> low note, the man could actually sing down there! Besides, since the human
> hearing range on the low end is 20 Hz, who would even know that you hit a
> note of nine or fifteen Hz!
>
> If you ever get back here Bob, I will play the song J.D. hit the 32 Hz 
> note
> on, Blessed Assurance, if memory serves.
>
> My close buddy, the super low Bass,  who just had vocal cord surgery for a
> Singer's Node, has seen the sound system that J.D. Sumner and his Stamps
> quartet used. The EQ was set flat! There was a frequency where J.D. hit 
> the
> sweet spot of the auditorium Bob and you could first hear, and then feel,
> the building resonate! Simply incredible! I doubt that we will ever have
> another Bass singer quite like him!
>
> FYI: He had two daughters, no sons! I have always wondered if their voices
> were low or normal.
>
> Yes, I have a personally signed photo from him from 1992. I gave him a
> signed Magic promo video and he gave me the autographed photo.
>
> Those speakers I have never heard. Maker, yes. The Boston product in 
> action,
> maybe ... If so, it was a long time ago!
>
> Tell me more about them, please.
>
> I am sure I told you this: my cousin who is truly an Audio Efficinado, has 
> a
> pair of 1971 Bozac Concert Grand speakers. (SP) Each one weighs in at 295
> pounds! Infinate baffle. They contain four 12 inch woofers, four 10 inch
> midrange/woofers and eight tweeters in a vertical column. Talk about
> monsters!
>
> Somebody broke into his home while he was out of town, stole some 
> Macintosh
> gear, but did not touch those hernia helpers!
>
> He is Mr. Classical, Opera and so forth. I got him to play J.D. Sumner and
> when J.D. dropped his range from about 1500 Hz down to <50 Hz I thought 
> that
> cousing Giles was going to wet himself! The whole house started to rock 
> and
> roll! Not his style, but the Bozac woofers blew out little puffs of dust! 
> My
> cousin, his wife, got to laughing. He said that he did not think that 
> those
> speakers had ever produced notes anywhere near that low! Probably not, as 
> he
> loves Opera and sopranos! Except for Ivan Reberoff? A Russian Opera singer
> that sings from what sounds like a soprano right down to a low Bass!
> Incredible singer. I can't understand a word, but his album of Russian 
> Folk
> music is awesome!
>
> Bob, now I really want to hear the Boston speakers!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
> <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] DVD To CD Audio Replication
>
>
>> Go for the low ones. I can't hear the high ones any more.
>>
>> Speaking of that, at a recent swap meet a fellow had a pair of 10 inch
>> Boston Acoustic speakers that really sounded great. These were designed 
>> by
>> Kloss and were of the acoustic loaded type (no bass reflex hole). They
>> were
>> built out of particle board and covered with vinyl simulated wood that 
>> was
>> only about nine tenths there and that what was was very grimey and
>> scratched
>> up. But the sound, oh the sound was spectacular. I wouldn't have thought
>> that such nice stuff could be pushed out of a 10 inch 2-way system. He
>> wanted $100 for the pair and if I didn't already have several (8) Kloss
>> speakers, I would have let them follow me home. I thought of you as they
>> would be perfect for a blind dude with good ears.
>>
>> WBob
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
>> <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] DVD To CD Audio Replication
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Mr. Wolf - I will plug in some of those fancy eight foot 24K,
>>> or
>>> is it 18K, Gold plated 12 gauge audio jumpers and see what happens.
>>>
>>> My buddy, who hits those super low Bass notes in the 44-48 Hz range just
>>> had
>>> vocal cord surgery for a Singer's Node! I had one on each vocal cord 
>>> from
>>> all the talking I had to do on stage, not singing! I can not carry a 
>>> note
>>> in
>>> an Ion escape proof container and keep it in resonance! The group he
>>> sings
>>> with released a DVD that my Yamaha surround sound amplifier or the
>>> Paradigm
>>> Monitor 9S three way tuneable rear ported cabinets can not handle 
>>> without
>>> coughing up second harmonic wave lengths. So I decided to feed the audio
>>> track from the DVD into my main system with the ceiling mounted James B.
>>> Lansing Century L-100 speakers etc. You know the deal Bob, as you were
>>> here
>>> and checked out what the old blind dude is running.
>>>
>>> I know that the Century L-100's will accurately reproduce a 30 Hz note,
>>> so
>>> with the Sony GX-80 ES delivering 130 watts continuous RMS per channel
>>> that
>>> my "Room Shake Effect" should be operational with no distortion, just a
>>> lot
>>> of stuff falling off shelves, out of cupboards etc. and shattering on 
>>> the
>>> floor! Hey! The more of that stuff that fractures its way into the local
>>> landfill the less I have to dust!
>>>
>>> Besides, what is one less Dust Bunny to a Magician anyhow?
>>>
>>> Duane
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
>>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
>>> <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] DVD To CD Audio Replication
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes. The output of the DVD player is normal line-level analog audio.
>>>> Feed
>>>> this into your usual chain of recorders just like the output from you
>>>> turntable preamp. Note that it is not the same as that coming from the
>>>> turntable pickup which needs a lot of gain and equalization to become
>>>> line-level analog audio.
>>>>
>>>> WBob
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
>>>> To: <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:18 AM
>>>> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] DVD To CD Audio Replication
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an OT kind of - sort of question, so feel guiltfree to press 
>>>>> the
>>>>> delete key.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an audio/video DVD that I want to transfer just the audio from
>>>>> to
>>>>> a
>>>>> CD. Can I use the stereo audio output jacks on the Pioneer DVL-919 
>>>>> deck
>>>>> and
>>>>> connect them via patch cords to the audio input jacks on the Sony ZA5
>>>>> ES
>>>>> DAT
>>>>> deck? Then use my Master DAT tape to burn the CD on my Sony CDRW deck?
>>>>> Or
>>>>> do
>>>>> I have to jump through a series of hoops from one music or wave file
>>>>> format
>>>>> to another?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for your assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duane, W8DBF
>>>>>
>>>>> Duane Fischer, W8DBF - WPE8CXO
>>>>> E-Mail: dfischer at usol.com
>>>>> Hallicrafters web site: www.w9wze.net
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