[Vintage-Audio] Re Gold Plated Audio Cables
wolfbob
wolfbob at csnsys.com
Thu Nov 8 22:19:48 EST 2007
I understand the CDRW, but am not familiar with the DAT. It
would be "better" to run the digital interconnect either
optical or coaxial. The DAT has to do a Digital-to-Analog
conversion and as I understand the Sony DAT it is not near
as good as the D-to-A in the CDRW and the digital to digital
would make a "better" CD recording. I think you can monitor
what the CDRW is getting to record by listening (or feeding
to the amp) the earphone output on the CDRW or maybe the
CDRW will analog output what it is recording by the usual
analog outputs. Better to let the DAT output digital rather
than have it convert to analog only to have the CDRW convert
it back to digital to record. One less D-A and A-D process
in the path.
WBob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975
back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Gold Plated Audio Cables
> Hi Bob,
>
> Yes, I do have analog selected as the "mode". The gold
> plated audio cables are just plugged into the standard RCA
> type input/output jacks. I can select the output mode on
> the front of the Sony ZA5 ES DAT deck as - analog or
> optical or coaxial. I can also select the input mode on
> the Sony CDRW deck as - analog or optical or coaxial.
>
> I do have the optical cable connected to the Sony ZA5 ES
> DAT output direct to the Sony CDRW deck. It does not pass
> through the Sony GX-80 ES amplifier, hence I can not
> monitor the audio.
>
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF/WPE8CXO
> dfischer at usol.com
> HHI: Halligan's Hallicrafters International
> http://www.w9wze.net
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> 1975 back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Gold Plated Audio Cables
>
>
>> Duane,
>> How do you have the DAT and CDRW connected? By analog
>> audio? There is probably a better way using either
>> optical or coaxial. The static may not go away, but it
>> will sure be different than what you get with the analog
>> path.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
>> 1975 back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Gold Plated Audio Cables
>>
>>
>>> (LOL!) Funny Pete, but also very true. The on again/off
>>> again ones are enough to drive even I sane. Now that is
>>> a frightening thought in itself! But those that explode
>>> and blow their inerds all over the Ham Shack and very
>>> easy to find in the circuit!
>>>
>>> I remember one day when W8QWL was here and had to change
>>> the AA cells in his antenna analyzer. He removed each
>>> cell and tested it on his VOM. The third of four cells
>>> literally exploded! BANG! Scared the constipation right
>>> out of Denny, and startled me sitting about five feet
>>> away. Mercury flew out of that exploded cell and got on
>>> his clothes and skin. Fortunately Dennis was not
>>> injured.
>>>
>>> I have never, nor had he, even heard of any AA cell
>>> simply exploding like that. Sounded like a cheap
>>> firecracker on the fourth of July, not one of those good
>>> ones like the 'Black Cat'!
>>>
>>> Pete, I wonder if there is some potential between the
>>> Sony ZA5 DAT deck and the Sony CDRW deck?
>>>
>>> One thing I have learned is that any cassette tape one
>>> tries to record direct to a CDRW deck almost always
>>> fails. I spent 100 hours working with some historic
>>> cassette tapes from 1981-1983 and it was a nightmare!
>>> There is something about those analog cassette tapes,
>>> old or current, that the CDRW decks do not like. Hence,
>>> I am wondering if this periodic static might also be
>>> caused by something in the DAT tape. Who knows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Duane Fischer, W8DBF/WPE8CXO
>>> dfischer at usol.com
>>> HHI: Halligan's Hallicrafters International
>>> http://www.w9wze.net
>>> HHRP: Historic Halligan Radio Project
>>> hhrp.w9wze.net
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Markavage" <manualman at juno.com>
>>> To: <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Gold Plated Audio Cables
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anything that is mechanical, (motors, belts, drive
>>>> trains, etc.) have the
>>>> potential for generating static, and propagating it
>>>> either through the
>>>> air or through the circuitry. Likewise, even components
>>>> have the
>>>> potential for generating noise, which is perceived as
>>>> static and/or
>>>> creating distortion. A capacitor that is starting to
>>>> break down can
>>>> periodically generate "noise" into the system. Current
>>>> through a
>>>> resistor, depending upon the resistor's makeup and age,
>>>> can sometimes
>>>> generate noise over time. Likewise IC's and all
>>>> semiconductors also have
>>>> to the potential, due to current leakage, to develop
>>>> static and/or
>>>> distortion. Trying to find the culprit can be a real
>>>> test of sanity.
>>>> Probably why I like burned out components or defective
>>>> parts that blow
>>>> up. They're much easier to find and to diagnose the
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:23:25 -0500 "Duane Fischer,
>>>> W8DBF"
>>>> <dfischer at usol.com> writes:
>>>>> Hello Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had already tried what you mentioned and it did not
>>>>> cause the
>>>>> static to
>>>>> occur.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Master recording on DAT does not have any static
>>>>> or any kind of
>>>>> audio
>>>>> distortion on it. Hence, if the source is the DAT
>>>>> deck, it is not
>>>>> coming
>>>>> from a defective recording.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have used a high end, supposedly 'top quality'
>>>>> optical cleaner on
>>>>> the CDRW
>>>>> deck to be sure that the Laser track is free from
>>>>> whatever. I also
>>>>> used a
>>>>> special DAT cleaning cassette to clean the high speed
>>>>> DAT heads.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I monitor the source, the DAT, as the CDRW deck
>>>>> records the
>>>>> signal from
>>>>> it, I never hear the static. Normally this static will
>>>>> be right at
>>>>> the start
>>>>> of a recording and last X seconds. However, it has
>>>>> happened three
>>>>> quarters
>>>>> of the way through a forty minute recording too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wondering if it may be generated by friction
>>>>> between the DAT
>>>>> heads and
>>>>> the DAT tape as it is being played?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have also heard reports that some brands of blank
>>>>> CDR discs have
>>>>> had
>>>>> problems with sporadic static. I normally use Sony and
>>>>> Maxell
>>>>> "music" CDS,
>>>>> as I do not record music with computer software.
>>>>> Anyone else heard
>>>>> these
>>>>> periodic reports of static issues with blank CDR
>>>>> discs?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duane Fischer, W8DBF/WPE8CXO
>>>>> dfischer at usol.com
>>>>> HHI: Halligan's Hallicrafters International
>>>>> http://www.w9wze.net
>>>>> HHRP: Historic Halligan Radio Project
>>>>> hhrp.w9wze.net
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Peter Markavage" <manualman at juno.com>
>>>>> To: <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Gold Plated Audio
>>>>> Cables
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > If you play something between these two units and
>>>>> > move the cables
>>>>> around
>>>>> > and/or tap the connectors with a stick and hear
>>>>> > static or
>>>>> distortion
>>>>> > static (I'm not really sure what distortion static
>>>>> > is), then the
>>>>> problem
>>>>> > is most likely in the cable or connectors. If this
>>>>> > activity
>>>>> doesn't bring
>>>>> > upon the static, most likely it's coming from one of
>>>>> > the units.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Pete, wa2cwa
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:58:10 -0500 "Duane Fischer,
>>>>> > W8DBF"
>>>>> > <dfischer at usol.com> writes:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi All,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Have any of you used the supposedly better quality
>>>>> >> gold plated
>>>>> audio
>>>>> >> cables?
>>>>> >> The pairs I have are six feet long with male RCA
>>>>> >> plugs on each
>>>>> end.
>>>>> >> Very
>>>>> >> heavy shielded cable, I am not sure of the gauge.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> One thing I noticed when I first installed them was
>>>>> >> that they
>>>>> fit
>>>>> >> very
>>>>> >> tight! Removing them was not something one was
>>>>> >> supposed to do
>>>>> >> often!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Since gold is not subject to corrosion I have left
>>>>> >> my four pairs
>>>>> of
>>>>> >> audio
>>>>> >> cables connected for the past eight years.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am now getting some periodic static distortion
>>>>> >> between my Sony
>>>>> ZA5
>>>>> >> ES DAT
>>>>> >> deck and the Sony CDRW deck. I have the gold plated
>>>>> >> cables on
>>>>> both
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> input/outputs of the DAT deck running to the
>>>>> >> amplifier and from
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> amplifier to the input/output of the Sony CDRW
>>>>> >> deck. I have
>>>>> checked
>>>>> >> all
>>>>> >> cables to be sure they are not loose. I even partly
>>>>> >> unplugged
>>>>> each
>>>>> >> one and
>>>>> >> then re inserted it in case of a poor connection.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Nothing I have done thus far has eliminated the
>>>>> >> sometimes there
>>>>> -
>>>>> >> sometimes
>>>>> >> not static. Any suggestions or experiences with
>>>>> >> such cables to
>>>>> >> share?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thank you.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Duane Fischer, W8DBF/WPE8CXO
>>>>> >> dfischer at usol.com
>>>>> >> HHI: Halligan's Hallicrafters International
>>>>> >> http://www.w9wze.net
>>>>> >> HHRP: Historic Halligan Radio Project
>>>>> >> hhrp.w9wze.net
>>>>> >>
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