[Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please

Duane Fischer, W8DBF dfischer at usol.com
Wed Nov 30 21:23:07 EST 2005 

Yo Bob,

Now you are my Mr. Audio, so go ahead and feel flattered. Now here is your
question of the day:

How come nobody has ever heard of this gorgeous wood end table with the
fifteen inch bottom firing sub-woof thing in it? Was it priced so high that
true audio devotees refused to buy it, as they wanted sound, not furniture?
Did the product review suggest it should have had a yellow paint job and the
smell of citrus added to it? What about performance specs, power demands,
frequency response etc.?

FYI: Any thing that makes my James B. Lansing Century L-100 speakers blush,
I either can not afford or is some mighty fine equipment! Now I am in no way
stating, or inferring, that the Century L-100 speakers are the best.
However, I have yet to hear any eight inch speaker come anywhere close to
the incredible frequency coverage of the James B. Lansing full range 8 inch
speakers I paid $36 each for in December 1964. No cabinet. Just plans for a
bass reflex enclosure. Which my late Father built from 3/4 inch White Birch
plywood. Wow! One speaker sounded better than most three-way systems I have
heard.

Because I am now totally blind, I do listen more closely than the vast
majority of sighted people do. I think I am a pretty fair judge of clean,
accurate and ambient audio reproduction. I believe that considering the
total weight, cabinet size and overall accurate reproduction of audio from
35-14000 Hz that the James B. Lansing speakers did an excellent job. The ass
is among the most clean, sharp and mellow I have ever heard. It runs in my
mind that one of you on this list commented about the woofer that James B.
Lansing used was regarded as one of the best ever.

I think much depends on what a particular person likes to hear. It colors
his/her evaluation of a speaker greatly. Those who like wall shaking head
pounding bass will not like clean reproduction that lacks this. Those who
love cheap crystal shattering high frequency notes will favor this over a
system with a nice mellow response over the commonly 'heard' audio spectrum.
So I suppose bias is simply unavoidable.

DBF



 ----- Original Message -----
From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975 back"
<vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please


> The Pioneer CD player is no better than some $29 thingy from
> walmart. It may work, but...
>
> The Advents will go down to 40-30Hz and do it so well that
> your JBLs will blush. There just isn't much interesting in
> music below 40 Hz anyway. remember that the JBLs are ported
> bass reflex and the Advents are acoustically loaded sealed
> boxes. Makes for very clean bass.
>
> WBob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975
> back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> Please
>
>
> > Hey Bob,
> >
> > Good to hear from you direction!
> >
> > Why forget the CD player? Problems with this model? Or?
> >
> > It is for my fourteen year old grandson, by the way. DBF
> > already has two
> > high end single units by Sony and Yamaha!
> >
> > I am not a sub-woof woof fan either! A woofer is a woofer!
> > I can control
> > what signal it receives by the crossover frequency. If it
> > will handle from
> > 200 Hz down to 20 Hz, and do it efficiently, why would I
> > need anything else?
> >
> > Now I am running good speakers, not  some dinky satellite
> > system thing that
> > is supposed to emulate the concert sound of a real live
> > concert! Because
> > they use "four inch", sometimes a huge six inch, 'woofer',
> > yea, they need
> > some help! I think the phrase is "bass response"!
> > Otherwise you get a Woof
> > that never made it to puberty and got a low voice!
> >
> > Duane W8DBF
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> > 1975 back"
> > <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> > Please
> >
> >
> >> Duane..
> >>
> >> Forget the CD player..the Yamaha is a very good receiver
> >> for
> >> a solid state of that era...not up to your Macs
> >> though...However, the Advents are well worth refoaming.
> >> These are some of the very best of the acoustic loaded
> >> speakers that Henry Kloss designed. I have a pair that I
> >> use
> >> for mid front and mid rear in my office and they are
> >> astoundingly flat and have a very clean bass. I don't
> >> believe in sub-woofers except for special effects, not
> >> music.
> >>
> >> WBob
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "rick larson" <rick at mnbrewers.com>
> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> >> 1975
> >> back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:33 AM
> >> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please
> >>
> >>
> >> > Duane,
> >> > I didn't see any responses for your request and I
> >> > really
> >> > don't know much about these.  However, here are a few
> >> > comments.
> >> >
> >> > I've read the Yamaha is pretty nice.  Great tuner.
> >> > Some
> >> > like the STK power brick IC.  They are cheap to replace
> >> > if
> >> > they go out.
> >> >
> >> > I have a pair of original Advent speakers.  I reconed
> >> > them
> >> > for <$30.  Not familar with the 2002 model.  Refoaming
> >> > was
> >> > pretty easy but not sure if that is something you can
> >> > do
> >> > or you would need to hire it out.  Too bad you don't
> >> > live
> >> > in Minneapolis.  I'd refoam them for you.
> >> >
> >> > If it was me and I had a room that needed a system, I'd
> >> > use the Yamaha, refoam the Advents, might use the sub
> >> > and
> >> > throw away the cd player.  However, your Scott gear is
> >> > lovely and would be my personal favorite.
> >> >
> >> > rick
> >> >
> >> >>     Hi All,        As some of you know, my home was
> >> >> damaged by water getting into the attic and
> >> >> causing a sudden and very destructive water leak on
> >> >> top
> >> >> of my
> >> >> den/office/computer control room desk on September
> >> >> 28th.
> >> >> The contractor who did
> >> >> the repair work sent his supervisory guy out here to
> >> >> be
> >> >> sure the guys doing the
> >> >> work were doing it up to the contractor's high
> >> >> standards.
> >> >> Tony and I got to
> >> >> chatting when he saw some of my stereo gear.    Some
> >> >> doctor had left behind some stereo gear when he sold
> >> >> the
> >> >> house to Tony
> >> >> three years ago. Tony discovered it in the garage
> >> >> attic.
> >> >> He had no use for it
> >> >> and offered it to me. I accepted it "as is"        I
> >> >> have
> >> >> no manuals and am not familiar with the speakers at
> >> >> all.
> >> >> I would very
> >> >> much appreciate your opinion as to the value, quality
> >> >> and
> >> >> cost of repairs Vs
> >> >> value of item. Thanks.       PIONEER MULTI PLAY
> >> >> COMPACT
> >> >> DISK PLAYER.  MODEL: PD/M510. APPEARS GOOD
> >> >> COSMETICALLY.
> >> >> BUT THE SIX CD HOLDER TRAY IS MISSING. IT SLIDES INTO
> >> >> AN
> >> >> OPENING WITH A SPRING
> >> >> LOADED DOOR. CAN I FIND ONE ANYWHERE? DOES NOT APPEAR
> >> >> THAT I CAN PLAY A SINGLE
> >> >> CD WITHOUT IT.
> >> >> AMPLIFIER/RECEIVER: YAMAHA NATURAL SOUND CR/1020. WOOD
> >> >> CABINET, WEIGHS ABOUT 40
> >> >> LBS, OUTPUTS FOR SPEAKERS A,B,C NO MENTION OF SURROUND
> >> >> SOUND THOUGH. HAS AM, FM
> >> >> AND FM STEREO. LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND APPEARS FULLY
> >> >> FUNCTIONAL.
> >> >>
> >> >> BDS: BDSW15 15 INCH BOTTOM FIRING SUB WOOFER IN
> >> >> BEAUTIFUL
> >> >> WOOD 18 INCH SQUARE
> >> >> END TABLE. NO COVER OVER SPEAKER ON BOTTOM, FOAM
> >> >> SUSPENSION IS A LITTLE SOFT,
> >> >> BUT IT PLAYS WELL. THIS THING WEIGHS 45 LBS!
> >> >>
> >> >> ADVENT: 2 WAY SPEAKERS. TWEETER WITH 12 INCH WOOFER.
> >> >> FOAM
> >> >> SUSPENSION IS GONE.
> >> >> MODEL: 2002  AB014073
> >> >> CABINETS ARE BEAUTIFUL, GRILLS ARE GOOD, ORIGINAL
> >> >> BOXES.
> >> >> THEY WILL HAVE TO BE
> >> >> RECONED. ARE THEY WORTH DOING?    I apologize for the
> >> >> upper case, which is suggestive of a variety of
> >> >> negative
> >> >> things, so I am told. But I keep all of my notes in
> >> >> solid
> >> >> upper case because it
> >> >> is easier for me being totally blind to find material
> >> >> by
> >> >> searching without
> >> >> having to be concerned about 'case sensitivity'.
> >> >> Again,
> >> >> thank you for any assistance you may be able to
> >> >> provide.
> >> >> Duane W8DBF   dfischer at usol.com
> >> >>
> >> >
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