[Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs, Please
wolfbob
wolfbob at csnsys.com
Thu Dec 1 01:05:32 EST 2005
I am sorry...I looked at the 2002 that is up on ebay and got
the idea that it had a 12 in. speaker. If it is the little
guy, then it is good but not great. It is an Advent after
all.
WBob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from 1975
back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
Please
> Hmmm. I see lots of twelve inch, but no six inch. These
> Advent are not 8
> inch, more like 6 inch. If they are 8 inch then I must be
> measuring the
> diamter incorrectly.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
> 1975 back"
> <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
> Please
>
>
>> No question a big heavy 15 inch sub will rattle the
>> rafters
>> and break windows, but it is only for movies and
>> earthquakes, not for music. If you have problems getting
>> your rump to fall asleep then just fire up that
>> heavyweight
>> and you will soon be as numb as if you were on a Harley.
>>
>> No question the JBLs have a very clean and well
>> engineered
>> lowend, but a bass reflex just aint the same as a well
>> engineered acoustic. Kloss knew how to get acoustics to
>> work, after graduating MIT he was first at AR, then KLH
>> and
>> n in '67 he formed Advent and later Cambridge Sound
>> Works.
>>
>> I am a lover of acoustic loaded Kloss speakers although
>> in
>> my office my main left and right speakers are 12 in.
>> JBLs.
>> But the front and rear center speakers are 12 in.
>> Advents,
>> the two side speakers are 8 in. KLHs and the left and
>> right
>> rear are 12 in. acoustic Wharfedales. only the JBLs are
>> bass
>> reflex. The computer has a 5.1 system by Cambridge Sound
>> Works (all acoustic) so my office has 14 speakers, only
>> the
>> JBLs are ported.
>>
>> Back under my desk is a 12 in. down facing sub woofer
>> that
>> has 150 W amp of its own. It hasn't been on for a couple
>> years.
>>
>> WBob
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
>> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
>> 1975
>> back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> Please
>>
>>
>> > Yo Bob,
>> >
>> > Now you are my Mr. Audio, so go ahead and feel
>> > flattered.
>> > Now here is your
>> > question of the day:
>> >
>> > How come nobody has ever heard of this gorgeous wood
>> > end
>> > table with the
>> > fifteen inch bottom firing sub-woof thing in it? Was it
>> > priced so high that
>> > true audio devotees refused to buy it, as they wanted
>> > sound, not furniture?
>> > Did the product review suggest it should have had a
>> > yellow
>> > paint job and the
>> > smell of citrus added to it? What about performance
>> > specs,
>> > power demands,
>> > frequency response etc.?
>> >
>> > FYI: Any thing that makes my James B. Lansing Century
>> > L-100 speakers blush,
>> > I either can not afford or is some mighty fine
>> > equipment!
>> > Now I am in no way
>> > stating, or inferring, that the Century L-100 speakers
>> > are
>> > the best.
>> > However, I have yet to hear any eight inch speaker come
>> > anywhere close to
>> > the incredible frequency coverage of the James B.
>> > Lansing
>> > full range 8 inch
>> > speakers I paid $36 each for in December 1964. No
>> > cabinet.
>> > Just plans for a
>> > bass reflex enclosure. Which my late Father built from
>> > 3/4
>> > inch White Birch
>> > plywood. Wow! One speaker sounded better than most
>> > three-way systems I have
>> > heard.
>> >
>> > Because I am now totally blind, I do listen more
>> > closely
>> > than the vast
>> > majority of sighted people do. I think I am a pretty
>> > fair
>> > judge of clean,
>> > accurate and ambient audio reproduction. I believe that
>> > considering the
>> > total weight, cabinet size and overall accurate
>> > reproduction of audio from
>> > 35-14000 Hz that the James B. Lansing speakers did an
>> > excellent job. The ass
>> > is among the most clean, sharp and mellow I have ever
>> > heard. It runs in my
>> > mind that one of you on this list commented about the
>> > woofer that James B.
>> > Lansing used was regarded as one of the best ever.
>> >
>> > I think much depends on what a particular person likes
>> > to
>> > hear. It colors
>> > his/her evaluation of a speaker greatly. Those who like
>> > wall shaking head
>> > pounding bass will not like clean reproduction that
>> > lacks
>> > this. Those who
>> > love cheap crystal shattering high frequency notes will
>> > favor this over a
>> > system with a nice mellow response over the commonly
>> > 'heard' audio spectrum.
>> > So I suppose bias is simply unavoidable.
>> >
>> > DBF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
>> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment from
>> > 1975 back"
>> > <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> > Please
>> >
>> >
>> >> The Pioneer CD player is no better than some $29
>> >> thingy
>> >> from
>> >> walmart. It may work, but...
>> >>
>> >> The Advents will go down to 40-30Hz and do it so well
>> >> that
>> >> your JBLs will blush. There just isn't much
>> >> interesting
>> >> in
>> >> music below 40 Hz anyway. remember that the JBLs are
>> >> ported
>> >> bass reflex and the Advents are acoustically loaded
>> >> sealed
>> >> boxes. Makes for very clean bass.
>> >>
>> >> WBob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
>> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
>> >> from
>> >> 1975
>> >> back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:02 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> >> Please
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hey Bob,
>> >> >
>> >> > Good to hear from you direction!
>> >> >
>> >> > Why forget the CD player? Problems with this model?
>> >> > Or?
>> >> >
>> >> > It is for my fourteen year old grandson, by the way.
>> >> > DBF
>> >> > already has two
>> >> > high end single units by Sony and Yamaha!
>> >> >
>> >> > I am not a sub-woof woof fan either! A woofer is a
>> >> > woofer!
>> >> > I can control
>> >> > what signal it receives by the crossover frequency.
>> >> > If
>> >> > it
>> >> > will handle from
>> >> > 200 Hz down to 20 Hz, and do it efficiently, why
>> >> > would
>> >> > I
>> >> > need anything else?
>> >> >
>> >> > Now I am running good speakers, not some dinky
>> >> > satellite
>> >> > system thing that
>> >> > is supposed to emulate the concert sound of a real
>> >> > live
>> >> > concert! Because
>> >> > they use "four inch", sometimes a huge six inch,
>> >> > 'woofer',
>> >> > yea, they need
>> >> > some help! I think the phrase is "bass response"!
>> >> > Otherwise you get a Woof
>> >> > that never made it to puberty and got a low voice!
>> >> >
>> >> > Duane W8DBF
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
>> >> > To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
>> >> > from
>> >> > 1975 back"
>> >> > <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:06 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear
>> >> > Specs,
>> >> > Please
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Duane..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Forget the CD player..the Yamaha is a very good
>> >> >> receiver
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> a solid state of that era...not up to your Macs
>> >> >> though...However, the Advents are well worth
>> >> >> refoaming.
>> >> >> These are some of the very best of the acoustic
>> >> >> loaded
>> >> >> speakers that Henry Kloss designed. I have a pair
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> use
>> >> >> for mid front and mid rear in my office and they
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> astoundingly flat and have a very clean bass. I
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> believe in sub-woofers except for special effects,
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> music.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> WBob
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "rick larson" <rick at mnbrewers.com>
>> >> >> To: "Vintage home and professional audio equipment
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> 1975
>> >> >> back" <vintage-audio at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:33 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Vintage-Audio] Re: Help With Gear Specs,
>> >> >> Please
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Duane,
>> >> >> > I didn't see any responses for your request and I
>> >> >> > really
>> >> >> > don't know much about these. However, here are a
>> >> >> > few
>> >> >> > comments.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've read the Yamaha is pretty nice. Great
>> >> >> > tuner.
>> >> >> > Some
>> >> >> > like the STK power brick IC. They are cheap to
>> >> >> > replace
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > they go out.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have a pair of original Advent speakers. I
>> >> >> > reconed
>> >> >> > them
>> >> >> > for <$30. Not familar with the 2002 model.
>> >> >> > Refoaming
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > pretty easy but not sure if that is something you
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > do
>> >> >> > or you would need to hire it out. Too bad you
>> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > live
>> >> >> > in Minneapolis. I'd refoam them for you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If it was me and I had a room that needed a
>> >> >> > system,
>> >> >> > I'd
>> >> >> > use the Yamaha, refoam the Advents, might use the
>> >> >> > sub
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > throw away the cd player. However, your Scott
>> >> >> > gear
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > lovely and would be my personal favorite.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > rick
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Hi All, As some of you know, my home
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> damaged by water getting into the attic and
>> >> >> >> causing a sudden and very destructive water leak
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> top
>> >> >> >> of my
>> >> >> >> den/office/computer control room desk on
>> >> >> >> September
>> >> >> >> 28th.
>> >> >> >> The contractor who did
>> >> >> >> the repair work sent his supervisory guy out
>> >> >> >> here
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> sure the guys doing the
>> >> >> >> work were doing it up to the contractor's high
>> >> >> >> standards.
>> >> >> >> Tony and I got to
>> >> >> >> chatting when he saw some of my stereo gear.
>> >> >> >> Some
>> >> >> >> doctor had left behind some stereo gear when he
>> >> >> >> sold
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> house to Tony
>> >> >> >> three years ago. Tony discovered it in the
>> >> >> >> garage
>> >> >> >> attic.
>> >> >> >> He had no use for it
>> >> >> >> and offered it to me. I accepted it "as is"
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> no manuals and am not familiar with the speakers
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> all.
>> >> >> >> I would very
>> >> >> >> much appreciate your opinion as to the value,
>> >> >> >> quality
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> cost of repairs Vs
>> >> >> >> value of item. Thanks. PIONEER MULTI PLAY
>> >> >> >> COMPACT
>> >> >> >> DISK PLAYER. MODEL: PD/M510. APPEARS GOOD
>> >> >> >> COSMETICALLY.
>> >> >> >> BUT THE SIX CD HOLDER TRAY IS MISSING. IT SLIDES
>> >> >> >> INTO
>> >> >> >> AN
>> >> >> >> OPENING WITH A SPRING
>> >> >> >> LOADED DOOR. CAN I FIND ONE ANYWHERE? DOES NOT
>> >> >> >> APPEAR
>> >> >> >> THAT I CAN PLAY A SINGLE
>> >> >> >> CD WITHOUT IT.
>> >> >> >> AMPLIFIER/RECEIVER: YAMAHA NATURAL SOUND
>> >> >> >> CR/1020.
>> >> >> >> WOOD
>> >> >> >> CABINET, WEIGHS ABOUT 40
>> >> >> >> LBS, OUTPUTS FOR SPEAKERS A,B,C NO MENTION OF
>> >> >> >> SURROUND
>> >> >> >> SOUND THOUGH. HAS AM, FM
>> >> >> >> AND FM STEREO. LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND APPEARS FULLY
>> >> >> >> FUNCTIONAL.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> BDS: BDSW15 15 INCH BOTTOM FIRING SUB WOOFER IN
>> >> >> >> BEAUTIFUL
>> >> >> >> WOOD 18 INCH SQUARE
>> >> >> >> END TABLE. NO COVER OVER SPEAKER ON BOTTOM, FOAM
>> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS A LITTLE SOFT,
>> >> >> >> BUT IT PLAYS WELL. THIS THING WEIGHS 45 LBS!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ADVENT: 2 WAY SPEAKERS. TWEETER WITH 12 INCH
>> >> >> >> WOOFER.
>> >> >> >> FOAM
>> >> >> >> SUSPENSION IS GONE.
>> >> >> >> MODEL: 2002 AB014073
>> >> >> >> CABINETS ARE BEAUTIFUL, GRILLS ARE GOOD,
>> >> >> >> ORIGINAL
>> >> >> >> BOXES.
>> >> >> >> THEY WILL HAVE TO BE
>> >> >> >> RECONED. ARE THEY WORTH DOING? I apologize
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> upper case, which is suggestive of a variety of
>> >> >> >> negative
>> >> >> >> things, so I am told. But I keep all of my notes
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> solid
>> >> >> >> upper case because it
>> >> >> >> is easier for me being totally blind to find
>> >> >> >> material
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> searching without
>> >> >> >> having to be concerned about 'case sensitivity'.
>> >> >> >> Again,
>> >> >> >> thank you for any assistance you may be able to
>> >> >> >> provide.
>> >> >> >> Duane W8DBF dfischer at usol.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
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