[Vintage-Audio] Re Speaker Performance

Thu Aug 15 23:13:01 2002

The J.B. Lansing L-100 series ran for a number of years, Bob. Which model/series
are yours? Some have a letter at the end, such as "T" in 1987 etc. Now I have to
disagree with your analysis of the high frequency, with all due respect, me
thinks thee has tin ears!	

The L-200 were studio monitors. I though they only had the mid range and the
woofer?	

Get a copy of the Misty Moods "One Stormy Night" on vinyl or CD. Now there is a
nice test CD. When that steam locomotive slips and slides with metal wheels
spinning on those rain soaked tracks and the whistle splits the stormy night air
with that whail that would wake the departed in the next country, only the best
speaker systems survive to be played again. The rest suffer from the split
personality and cone rupture syndrome. When that train goes through the sound
room it is enough to make you change your Fruit of The Looms. Dang! I love it!	

Duane W8DBF	

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From: Bob <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Speaker Performance
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:29 PM

My experience shows that the JBL L-100 are tinny and have
over done highs. I have L-166s which are better in that
regard and the L-200s are even better. I too have my JBLs
mounted at ceiling level and not pointed down but
horizontal. The bass is great, and it still has more highs
than I like but it is adjustable and I am still tweaking. 

My bass transient tester is Telarc Timewarp track 2 and my
tester for really low stuff is Cosmic Hippo by Bela Fleck.

WBob

"Duane Fischer, W8DBF" wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Yea, ya got me. I did stretch things on my analogy with the Flea breaking wind
> and the 757 taking off. My hearing is so accute that I hear things sighted
> compatriots simply ignore. Notice I said "ignore", and not "did not hear". The
> idea that when a person loses one of their five basic senses, the others
> compensate by becoming nearly 6 Million Dollar Man bionic, is false. The
> differenece is, and it is an important one, is that I listen to all sounds
> because I am not distracted by visual input. The human being learns 92% of
what
> he/she learns by visual input in one form or another. My biggest difficulty is
> in filtering out all of the sounds to focus on what I want, or need, to hear.
> The older I become, the more difficult this filtration process becomes. My
life
> depends on my hearing, and the ability to hear essential sounds or changes in
> the air pressure on the surface of the eardrums, daily. One misinterpretation
> can result in an injury or my becoming fertilizer.
> 
> J.D. Sumner, for the record, is in the Ginnis book of World Records for
hitting
> a note of 32 Hz! He was the lowest bass singer in the world. For those who
care,
> the song was on the album The Incomparable Stamps and is Blessed Assurance. He
> and his Stamps quartet, (southern gospel), backed up Elvis Presley the last
> seven years the king of rock and roll was alive. Yes I knew J.D. Sumner, have
> his autograph and enjoyed him many times in person. He not only could hit
those
> unbelievable notes, he could sing down there! Will never be another!
> 
> My listening room has a 60% Cork cieling, with carpet and drapery to dampen
> sound bounce. The J.B. Lansing Century L-100 are mounted at the cieling and
> angled down to hit at ear level at the opposite end of the room while sitting
on
> the couch with twin recliners built into it. The B&W are positioned either
side
> of the master console and are floor mounted. They can be used as monitors or
> phased in with the J.B. Lansings. When phased, the entire wall lights up with
> sound. You have to hear it to even begin to comprehend what I am speaking of.
> Writer though I am, words fail this!
> 
> The proper room is just as important as the proper electronics for listening.
A
> harsh room yields a harsh sound. Remember those high school assemblies in the
> gymnasium with that echo off the brick walls? Then think about the outside
> amphitheaters with such perfect acoustics as to not require a microphone and
> public address system for a person standing in the middle to be heard by
> everyone seated there.
> 
> My eleven year old grandson was listening to what I had on the stereo and told
> me to use those speakers up by the cieling as they sounded way better than
those
> on the floor. What can I say? Even an eleven year old picked the J.B. Lansing
> Century L-100 over the B&W 630's.
> 
> Duane W8DBF
> 
> 
> 
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> From: Robert  J.  McKee <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-Audio] Re Speaker Performance
> Date: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:49 PM
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF <[email protected]>
> 
> > Please do not misunderstand where i am coming from. I have
> > dealt with audio for over forty years. I am also totally
> blind, now.
> > I know good sound when I hear it. I can hear a Flea fart at
> five
> > hundred yards while a 757 is taking off!
> >
> <snip>
> Duane is stretching things just a bit here to make a point,
> and I
> believe it has to do with detail... where a truly outstanding
> system
> shines.  That 757 taking off should not distort the flea fart
> and this
> is very important in good sound reproduction.  The term Hi Fi
> has
> no meaning whatsoever any longer.  Altec tried years ago to
> get
> away from it by using the term Playback.  And that term bombed
> also with the "professional" association.  Because
> "professional"
> really meant reliable and had little to do with accuracy of
> reproduction.
> 
> Duane also made a point in an earlier posting which hit home
> with
> me.  I designed and built a home in the early nineties with
> music in
> mind.  The music room is also the listening room with floor
> dimension
> of 16' x 30' with clerestory design... the ceiling sloping
> from almost
> 19' to 10'.  It does wonderful things for my stereo system.
> For the
> very first time I was not overdriving a room.  For the very
> first time
> I felt solid organ pedal tone power.  I had heard loud before,
> but now
> power (and there IS a difference).
> 
> The size of my woofer in my two-way system is 10".  Anything
> larger presents problems with being s l o w to the point of
> distraction
> from music.  There may be some large drivers out there with
> the
> necessary combination of small voice coil diameter with
> micro-gap
> and small magnet which would be quick and accurate, but none
> have come my way.
> 
> Always happy to stir the pot a moment or two.
> Bob McKee
> 
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