[TVARC] Today’s Question

[Daniel McKinney]

I can’t count the times that stations send a report and never send 73 and
then I’ve seen the same stations start working someone else and do the same
thing over and over.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 11:56 AM John Ellis <john.np2b at gmail.com> wrote:

> No argument about that Frank, but message
> 4 can be toggled between RRR and RR73.
> RR73 by definition should be only used when
> the sending station is confident that his/her
> report has been received okay and that no
> repetitions will be required.
>
> RR73 *presumes *a good contact but does not
> *confirm* it. So you are correct, it can lead to bad
> logging.
>
> 73,
> J
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 3:25 PM Frank M <phrankxm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think something is missing here. One point I was trying to make is to
>> show that logging the QSO without a confirmation from the other party leads
>> to errors in LoTW, invalid QSO in eQSL etc.
>> often, in contrasting, the run station sends a confirmation to the other
>> station but never really knows if it was received and therefore, it could
>> be missing in the other station log!!
>> It is a possible explanation for “errors” in confirmations and contest
>> checking.
>>
>> Frank KA1AF
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 11:12 AM, John Ellis <john.np2b at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Frank et. al.
>>
>> It is up to the other station to do his own logging.
>> If he chooses not to hang around for a 73, that's
>> his choice and there is nothing you can do about
>> it. The important thing for you is that you copied
>> his call and your report correctly.
>>
>> I think the RR73 in place of a regular 73 means
>> he has received your report and he really doesn't
>> care if you confirm his report back to him or not
>> and/or he is reasonably confident that you have
>> received his report and that no repetitions will be
>> necessary.
>>
>> JMHO,
>> 73,
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 1:55 PM Frank M <phrankxm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is a valid contact?
>>> According to the ARRL, you must not only exchange calls but also must
>>> exchange signal reports. A 73 is not required. (For confirmation you need
>>> time, date and freq).
>>> Issue: FT-8 contacts have the auto log window pop up when you send a 73.
>>> (Either RR73 or 73).
>>> But there are times when the other station does not send a 73 (either by
>>> choice or band change). You received his confirmation of your report to
>>> him, but you have not received a confirmation that he received yours!!
>>> Most people enter the contact in the log when the window comes up. This
>>> is a cause for “not in log” issues with online loggers and errors in LoTW.
>>> The question, is it a contact or not?
>>> My position: you got all the information for a valid contact. You just
>>> did not get a confirmation from the other station. Enter it in your log! In
>>> many cases, you just did not receive his 73 or he chose not to send it.
>>> Comments???
>>>
>>> Frank KA1AF
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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