[TheForge] Seeking How To info...

[Dave Mudge]

Jerry & Bruce,
I have done the hammer the edge around a wire thing on several copper
fountain bowls
and some small 'art' pieces.
It's more work than I would want to do for 50 pieces of stainless, albeit
thin.
The Pexto machine sounds like the way to go. Too bad that I don't have one.
I do however have a lathe and access to 7 more. I could make the rollers but
I would have to make a machine to hold them. That might be fun. It would
have to be hand crank.
I saw some illustrations of progressive dies on the internet but they were
for a press
rather than a roller. In this application I think that a roller is the only
way to go.
I don't have any idea about unit price because I don't have the tooling
readily available.
The flash in the far back reaches of my cluttered mind flashed on $20 - $50
each but
that sounds ridiculous. Yes, I know that you can never base a price on what
"you" think
sounds too high or too low. It was just a flash.
Bruce, I will try to find those books. If I considered making the dies,
what would the profile look like?
You could e-mail a drawing to me dave at magichammer.net  because the robot
won't
let us post pictures on TheForge, although we could post it here,
http://www.shutterfly.com/
I am embarrassed to say that I have never used the shutterfly site......

dave m

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:54 AM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
wrote:

> In dad's shop we called it "rolling a bead." Pexto makes a set of dies for
> their rolls. They're similar to the fluting dies but are more complex and
> or
> two pass per bead to close it. If you have access to a lathe you could make
> a set to roll both edges at the same time making guiding the strip much
> easier and cuts the steps in half. Unless I already had a bead roller set
> up
> I wouldn't bid on 50, too small a run to break even let alone turn a
> profit.
>
> Looking back on Dad's bidding process I'd guess the break even for a two
> pass per side process like that at around 1,000 units IF you pay yourself
> minimum wage. Do you have power rolls, something you could just feed
> blanks?
> If you could roll them fast enough you might not take too bad a beating on
> making the tooling, provided you have your own lathe.
>
> Heck, if you have a lathe sell them the tooling, you'd make a buck.
>
> How much are you thinking to bid per unit Dave?
>
> Jer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
> Mudge
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:46 PM
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> looking for "How To" information. specifically, how to roll the bead on the
> edges of this dog collar. I have a chance to bid on making 50 of these of
> stainless steel. 2" wide x 18" circumference. any information at all will
> be
> greatly appreciated...
> click here for picture of dog collar http://tinyurl.com/mmpa3sw
>
> dave m
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