[TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga

[jerry Frost]

It is if he stopped for coffee or lunch. Once concrete starts to set it sets
pretty quickly. A concrete company that screws up a pour like this will have
people blaming others, it's the guy in the mixing tower, the guy in the
truck, the finishers, etc. 

When you say it got hot, how hot? Concrete should get warm as it sets but
even a 24" footing should be too cool for a bath. If a slab is getting hot,
say steaming on a cool day it's a hot mix, either WAY past pour time or a
hot mix from the batch plant.

How'd your footings come out?

Jer

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Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga

Oh, and the  4 or so yards left in the truck hardened up like a sailor who's
been out to sea a bit too long.  Not sure if they will hammer the barrel out
or just replace it.  They were already blaming the driver, but I don't see
how it was his fault.


On 9/2/14, 8:10 PM, jerry Frost wrote:
> Another step forward, congratulations. It's good to hear about an 
> honest contractor. Wanna bet Ready Mix is going to be eating his labor 
> loss? A bad word in the trade community will cost them a LOT more than 
> making everybody whole. All it takes is one mis stroke in the batch 
> plant to add accelerant instead of a retarder to the mx design. Floors 
> should have a touch of retarder so the concrete man has time to do a 
> nice job. I have a buddy who drives a concrete truck and the guy at 
> the batch plant loaded him out with a gunnite mix. The buy who screwed 
> it up had to jack hammer the mixer drum clean while the company gave J 
> a different rig till his was clean and repaired.
>
> How bad is the finish? If you don't wait too long you can smooth and 
> clean it up nicely without too much work using a floor sander. Get one 
> that will wet sand so you can wet sand the concrete or you'll have 
> irritating dust all over everything. Heck, you might be able to charge 
> the rental and consumables back to Ready Mix. That kind of mistake can 
> cost a batch plant a BUNCH.
>
> Sounds like you needed a plate compacter to get that stuff smoothed 
> down for walks and such, a rake and trowel probably wasn't really up 
> to it. If I ever have concrete poured again I'm buying paver molds for 
> the extra mix and clean out. The clean out wash is excellent for 
> stabilizing gravel or sandy soils.
>
> No comment about the pile on the driveway, think of it as a badge of 
> some sort. Maybe the owner of Ready Mix will come to a BBQ and ask what
happened.
> <evil grin>
>
> Jer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Andrew Vida
> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 1:19 PM
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: [TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga
>
> Stupidity follows me like a bad cold.  Concrete shows up, we begin
pumping.
> In 20 minutes it is set enough to stand on.  We got the whole deal 
> done, but the finish is not the best.  Not disastrous, but a little 
> rough.  The finisher was so upset he refused payment. Ready mix 
> company took 1/3+ off the price, probably thankful I was not talking about
suing them.
>
> They also mis-estimated the load, saying I'd need 20 yards when 13 did 
> the job.  I had them dump the rest on the driveway, which was really 
> wild because by then the concrete was hot and it poured into a huge 
> mountain which I then had to rake into crude place like a wildman 
> before it would no longer move, resulting in thinking I was going to 
> have a major heart attack at 56, and I can tell you that I am in pretty
good shape for my years.
>
> So the finish sucks a little, but I saved almost $1000 thanks to their 
> error.  Oh, and they dumped about 1/4 yard of concrete on my driveway, 
> which was lots of fun to clean up and now the asphalt is streaked 
> white, but I don't care that much about it.  I have a floor and I am happy
enough.
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