[TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga OT:
Bruce .
freemab222 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 23 22:34:43 EDT 2014
Another alternative is a supplied air system. Put fishbowl over head. Run
air hose into fishbowl, maintaining positive pressure therein. You get the
picture.
Bruce
NJ
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
> Bruce, years ago i realized being hairy and conventional respiratory
> protection were in conflict.
> After a bunch of preliminary steps, i ended up with a snorkel mouthpiece
> plugged directly into a respiratory filter socket.
> Exhale through nose.
> Gotta change filters 2 X as often.
>
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Bruce . wrote:
>
> Acute exposure to ANY dust is dangerous, especially in large quantity.
> Glass dust would be especially so because it is sharp. Wear a good dust
> mask if working with such stuff. (Being bearded, I tend to use a moist
> bandana over my nose and mouth instead of a dust mask because dust masks
> won't seal against a beard.)
> But unlike pure silica, glass will eventually dissolve in the body, so if
> it doesn't kill you soon after exposure, the problem might eventually go
> away. Don't count on it though.
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
> artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like silicosis by the ton...That was 3 cents a TON, i think Jerry.
> >
> > In this connection, refineries sometimes sell sulfur really cheap too..
> > It's strong, 5X stronger than cement, especially with some styrene and
> > fiber mixed in, easy to melt in a 55 gal barrel with a bonfire, and pour
> > at around 250F.
> > It's water proof and very acid resistant. Like the styro, make sure it's
> > never subject to flames...(IE, below grade).
> > It doesn't burn particularly hot, but it's persistent and really , really
> > noxious!
> >
> >
> > On Oct 23, 2014, at 2:58 PM, jerry Frost wrote:
> >
> > Oh yeah, ants LOVE foam, any kind, ants or foam. Crushed glass is good
> > stuff
> > and if they're selling it for $0.03/lb they can't afford to ship it to
> the
> > glass plant. If you can find powdered glass it makes excellent ant
> killer.
> > It gets in their joints and shreds them from the inside out and even
> their
> > little crunchy bodies are deadly to the next ones to come along. Just
> don't
> > breath it, it's only less dangerous to us.
> >
> > Jer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TheForge [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> > Bruce
> > .
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:44 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT: My floor is poured: the saga OT:
> >
> > And ants! Ants will nest in styrofoam. Voice of sad experience, here.
> >
> > Bruce
> > NJ
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <
> > artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hope it works as well for you as it did for me...That backfill has a
> >> staggering R value!
> >> Don't neglect to cover it with something that'll keep fire and rodents
> > out.
> >>
> >> On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
> >>
> >> The recycler had 3'x4'x6' bales of compressed plastic, but they were
> >> over 1000# each and I am in no humor to wrestle that. The polystyrene
> >> blocks are extruded from the chipped raw material. Density varies
> > significantly.
> >> No matter. I'm looking to provide a seepage channel and these should
> >> do the trick.
> >>
> >> Oh, and I also have left at least 4 trails between Charleston and
> > Elkview.
> >>
> >> On 10/17/14, 1:30 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> >>> Andy, the styro i was getting was in the form of wired, compressed
> >> bales. They had a press that'd turn a giant dumpster full into a 3' X 4'
> >> bale, that i then stacked 3 high on my flatbed. Exhausted, i drove
> >> home in the dark having tied down the load. I feared that the cops
> >> would follow the debris trail for 60 miles and find me days later.
> >>> I used some of the bales whole where i was concerned about sliding,
> >>> then
> >> opened up the remaining bales to fill the rest of the space. Before i
> >> placed the styro, i did a multiply redundant series of waterproofing
> >> coats on the outside of the retaining wall ( parge coat, rubberized
> >> asphalt sheet and heavy plastic sheet.
> >>> I topped the styro backfill with a foot of leachrock for vermin and
> >> fireproofing.
> >>> The french drain at the bottom sloped 1/2" to the foot and was
> >>> covered
> >> in 3 layers of drain fabric.
> >>> Unfortunately, the heavy plastic sheet under the french drain got
> >> perforated in the process and the seepage leaves me with a damp shop
> >> floor a few days after heavy rains despite both sand and plastic
> >> sheet under the slab.
> >>> Somehow, 3 tons of sloppy clay is much heavier than 3 tons of almost
> >> anything else. Groan.
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well, it turned out the recycler indeed has blocks of styrofoam and
> >>> I
> >> have been stacking them to the grade line. Typar at the outer face,
> >> then back fill. They loaded two large boxes full... probably about 800#
> > each.
> >> I will be leaving in a short while to get two more and that should do
> >> the do for us. They are about 8" square by randome lengths, vary in
> >> density, but seem to be porous.
> >>>
> >>> The day after the north and east walls were completed, the rain
> >>> caved in
> >> the clay at the northeast corner. I'd estimate at least 3 tons of
> >> water-logged clay. God bless my wife for her help. We got it
> >> excavated yesterday in about 6 hours and did it literally by hand, as
> >> the shovels were utterly useless. I was swearing to make a sailor
> >> join a convent. Not sure why, but when the clay grabs me such that I
> >> cannot get my boot out, I go completely red.
> >>>
> >>> Got the drain reset, gravel in, foam blocks on top and sealed the
> >>> walls
> >> with Hydrocide... pretty nasty stuff. I'm still wearing it, three
> >> days and about 8 showers later. Need more foam block, and then backfill
> > partially.
> >>>
> >>> Mason told me to use non-shrinking grout between the bottom of old
> >> footing and top of new block walls. That is going to be a lot of
> > grout...
> >> :( At that volume I would have gone broke on hydraulic cement. That
> >> damned stuff is $$. I've never used concrete grout before. I sure
> >> hope it has the compressive strength to take the load.
> >>>
> >>> I think I am going to fill the spaces where the steel columns are
> >> encased by the blocks with portland. The walls of the block are
> >> shaved a mite thin in one or two places.
> >>>
> >>> I will have Bibi take pictures today and post them so you all can
> >>> bear
> >> witness to the truer depths of my insanity.
> >>>
> >>> The next step: concrete company comes to pour 6" cap on the old-new
> >> floor. That will give me a 12" floor, less head room (down to about
> >> 9'4"), but I'm OK with it. The second pour will act as a lock for
> >> moisure and a kicker for the bottomost blocks against the inward
> >> pressure of the surrounding earth.
> >>>
> >>> Much yet to do, but at least the new foundation is in. I cannot
> >>> tell
> >> you what a relief that has been.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/14, 6:57 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> >>>> I'm certain you do Andy! Um...Just one?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Andrew Vida wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/16/14, 5:18 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> >>>>> Some years back i discovered free bales of styrofoam from the
> >> recycling plant.
> >>>>> They were so eager to get rid of them they loaded them for me
> >>>>> after
> >> hours..
> >>>>> Covered my 12' flatbed with them stacked 9' high.
> >>>>> They made great backfill behind the big retaining wall and have
> >>>>> been
> >> stable for the last 15 years or more.
> >>>>> Water resistant , insulating, easy to place and free. I covered
> >>>>> them
> >> with leachrock about a foot deep for fire and vermin.
> >>>>> If you need more volume, break up the bales on a calm day.
> >>>>> French drain below.
> >>>> Now this is a really cool idea. I was having a small fit trying to
> >> figure how I was to get all that gravel situated properly. Was
> >> thinking of using gambions, but they are stupidly pricey and you have
> >> to build them yourself... and they are endlessly heavy, even the small
> >> ones. But this I could do.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Peter - I will check this out. I'm sure I now owe you a beer.
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