[TheForge] TheForge Digest, Vol 124, Issue 17

Tue May 27 12:09:32 EDT 2014

You might want to take a look at the woodworking industry and check out bed
rail hardware. I have attached a link you might find helpful.

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2003269/3200/Bed-Rail-Fastener.aspx?keyword=&refcode=10INGOPB&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CjkKEQjw75CcBRCz2LiEs5OPsZoBEiQADgUmax-2-7UJZWFm1nPsTnCNiCqi-W2rH3miM7Ru7joiwXHw_wcB

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>    1. Re: Need help finding a part -- or it's name at least (Bruce .)
>    2. Re: Need help finding a part -- or it's name at least (Jay Hayes)
>    3. Follow up on a kludged shoulder rivet to fit a keyhole    slot
>       (Bruce .)
>    4. Re: Follow up on a kludged shoulder rivet to fit a keyhole
>       slot (CGRAF)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:17:59 -0400
> From: "Bruce ." <freemab222 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Need help finding a part -- or it's name at
>         least
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> Thanks, Jay.  A 10-24 shoulder screw with a 1/8" shoulder could work. (I
> couldn't find  shoulder rivets.)
>
> The damned things aren't cheap, though -- nearly $2 each in qtty 5!
>
> Still the idea is a good one.  Possibly I could use a short piece of
> thin-wall tube as a "shoulder" on a round-headed screw.  Might could work.
> Maybe I could even use a pop-rivet through such a short piece of tubing --
> installing it backwards, so to speak, so the head of the pop rivet forms
> the locking member that engages the keyhole.  That might be real easy.
>
> Thanks, all.
>
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
>
> On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Jay Hayes <xmas4lites at earthlink.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Bruce, what you are looking for is a shoulder rivet, a shoulder screw, or
> > shoulder bolt. In some applications they are called Frankenstein Bolts.
> > Another approach uses a machined thimble or an eyelet to provide the
> proper
> > clearance to engage in the keyhole, held in place with a standard screw
> or
> > rivet.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> > On 5/26/2014 12:13 AM, Bruce . wrote:
> >
> >> I'm working on plans for lightweight, portable forges, and I have a good
> >> approach to a problem that uses a very common idea -- but I can't find
> the
> >> hardware I need to implement it, or even the NAME of the hardware, to
> >> facilitate finding it.
> >>
> >> You've all seen keyhole slots:
> >> http://www.woodfit.com/images/BP500%20Keyhole%20plate%20C.jpg
> >> http://www.pinbax.com/items/A4413.jpg
> >> http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/third/sock5.jpg
> >> http://www.govart.com/images/hwr_keyhole_hdLG.jpg
> >> and so forth.
> >>
> >> Well, I have an application in which I want to lock one sheet metal
> device
> >> to another.  I can put a keyhole slot in the one -- but I need the
> >> appropriate stud for the other.
> >>
> >> Anyone have a clue where to look for such a thing?
> >>
> >> Right now have no better idea than to use a nail head, the nail retained
> >> in
> >> some manner in the opposing part.  I'd like to come up with something
> >> better than that!
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >> NJ
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 15:26:06 -0400
> From: Jay Hayes <xmas4lites at earthlink.net>
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Need help finding a part -- or it's name at
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> Bruce, shoulder rivets are a specialty fastener, but you can find dozens
> of suppliers online via google. You may be able to even get some of them
> to send you samples to try.  Jay
>
> On 5/26/2014 12:17 PM, Bruce . wrote:
> > Thanks, Jay.  A 10-24 shoulder screw with a 1/8" shoulder could work. (I
> > couldn't find  shoulder rivets.)
> >
> > The damned things aren't cheap, though -- nearly $2 each in qtty 5!
> >
> > Still the idea is a good one.  Possibly I could use a short piece of
> > thin-wall tube as a "shoulder" on a round-headed screw.  Might could
> work.
> > Maybe I could even use a pop-rivet through such a short piece of tubing
> --
> > installing it backwards, so to speak, so the head of the pop rivet forms
> > the locking member that engages the keyhole.  That might be real easy.
> >
> > Thanks, all.
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> > NJ
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Jay Hayes <xmas4lites at earthlink.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Bruce, what you are looking for is a shoulder rivet, a shoulder screw,
> or
> >> shoulder bolt. In some applications they are called Frankenstein Bolts.
> >> Another approach uses a machined thimble or an eyelet to provide the
> proper
> >> clearance to engage in the keyhole, held in place with a standard screw
> or
> >> rivet.
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/26/2014 12:13 AM, Bruce . wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm working on plans for lightweight, portable forges, and I have a
> good
> >>> approach to a problem that uses a very common idea -- but I can't find
> the
> >>> hardware I need to implement it, or even the NAME of the hardware, to
> >>> facilitate finding it.
> >>>
> >>> You've all seen keyhole slots:
> >>> http://www.woodfit.com/images/BP500%20Keyhole%20plate%20C.jpg
> >>> http://www.pinbax.com/items/A4413.jpg
> >>> http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/third/sock5.jpg
> >>> http://www.govart.com/images/hwr_keyhole_hdLG.jpg
> >>> and so forth.
> >>>
> >>> Well, I have an application in which I want to lock one sheet metal
> device
> >>> to another.  I can put a keyhole slot in the one -- but I need the
> >>> appropriate stud for the other.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone have a clue where to look for such a thing?
> >>>
> >>> Right now have no better idea than to use a nail head, the nail
> retained
> >>> in
> >>> some manner in the opposing part.  I'd like to come up with something
> >>> better than that!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bruce
> >>> NJ
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 21:45:10 -0400
> From: "Bruce ." <freemab222 at gmail.com>
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [TheForge] Follow up on a kludged shoulder rivet to fit a
>         keyhole slot
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> So curiosity got the better of me and I dug through my misc. hardware and
> pulled out a short 1/8" steel pop rivet, and #6 flat and split washers that
> fit the rivet.  I put the flat washer on first, then the split washer, then
> riveted it into a 1/8" hole I drilled in an old coffee can.  Lo and behold,
> it actually worked.
>
> I didn't have a keyhole slot to try it in and didn't feel like going to the
> trouble to make one, so I shoved the thing through a hole (slightly-larger
> than the flat washer) in a sheet-metal fixture I had lying around.  The
> coffee can hung onto the fixture about as well as could be expected.
>
> I call that success.  I also call it cheap!
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 05:49:07 -0500
> From: CGRAF <adveniam at att.net>
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Follow up on a kludged shoulder rivet to fit a
>         keyhole slot
> Message-ID: <53846DA3.10406 at att.net>
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> Depending on how much lateral motion is an issue, a metal tab with a
> notch , or even a straight piece mounted on a downward angle may suffice.
>
>   Weld, bolt or rivet the tab on.
>
> Mike Graf
>
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